2 is no choice, that’s just ridiculous.

Network effects. Or do we really expect devs to write proper code for 3+ entirely different native mobile platforms?

If only there was a way of delivery applications using a uniform set of rules independent of any manufacturer or vendor..

hmm what would I call that.... A standard perhaps..

Then maybe we could make that same application work on several types of devices and form factors that simply run that standard via a web of devices

We could call them Web Apps... A Web App Standard....

No, that’s why we need market regulations so that the two lucky platforms that won the game serves the people, and not only their wallets.

More platforms would be better but the answer is for someone - commercial or some free software initiative - to get a usable and supported device to market, not making impositions on an already established platform with its own strengths and legions of customers who are willing to pay slightly more because of them.

>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS

Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?

The fact these are the complaints is the best possible endorsement for iOS. That's all?

That and the fact that it isn't being sold to other companies (from what I know of their privacy policy) and can be disabled if you wish.

I don't blindly trust any company, but from what I can tell Apple makes their money from services and hardware. Someone else in this thread has indicated that advertisers are frustrated because they cannot access Apple user data. They recently implemented E2E for all iCloud data. It looks a better offering than trusting every aspect of my online life with a company who makes their $$$ from adverts and data mining.

While I'd love to use a PinePhone running OpenBSD for my mobile needs, having the ability to message my friends is nice. As are online services that Just Work, and if they make their money from me paying and not from selling my data, then we can be content.

:)

what a hill to die on

Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy device in comparison? I’m being upsold on their bloatware left and right and third party services. I hate Samsung and Android now with a passion because they don’t respect my settings and often install random system settings that contradict my choices.

iOS is a breath of fresh air in comparison and does none of this. I say this as a diehard Android G1/Nexus fanboy from way back before it became obvious to me that Google apps are basically spyware for the surveillance capitalism machine.

Get a pixel and put graphene on it.

lol

Explain

Graphene is actually great, I'll admit that. Though it does come at the cost of avoiding any mainstream apps. I suppose that depends where you are in life and who your main contacts are.

The only app I can't use is wallet because there is no NFC for cards in graphene.

I’ll look flashing it on an older device to test it out. Thanks for turn recommendation. Checking it out on xda.

I’m onboard with the sentiment.

However my Google Pixel dev phone is upsell and Ad free, as far I’ve noticed.