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Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by FredPret on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:31AM (#35601300)
I have a tiny measure of power over Apple. I can decide not to buy their products or their stock.

But I have zero power over the EU. And yet they're legislating what my iPhone is going to work like. Talk about unaccountable.

The free market did not deliver competing app stores because that is not a problem for the majority of users and is in fact a huge boon for most.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by nightski on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:40AM (#35601444)
They are doing no such thing. You don't have to use side loaded apps. If a company decides to only distribute from side loading, you can just not use their app. This is effectively what you are forcing on people who would prefer side loading, so it shouldn't be a problem for you.
Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by mrcode007 on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:48AM (#35601587)
This will be the biggest future exploit vector.

“Your phone is infected. Click here to load our antivirus”

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by frumper on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:09AM (#35601941)
Good thing even my mom learned to ignore that one a decade ago in windows.
Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by JustSomeNobody on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:22AM (#35602112)
There is absolutely zero chance Apple will allow it to be this simple.
Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by kaba0 on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:01PM (#35603494)
If they make it like android’s dev mode, no one on Earth who shouldn’t will enable it.

The people whom for such exploits would be dangerous won’t be able to follow the 6 steps to enable them.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by FredPret on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:16AM (#35602030)
I want a locked down phone. So does every old person in my life. I'll literally pay extra for a locked-down phone. If you want to side load, buy a phone that allows it, don't force Apple to make one.
Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by filchermcurr on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:41AM (#35602394)
You, and the old people in your life, can simply stick to downloading from the official store. This change doesn't suddenly force you to live your life in a way that you're uncomfortable with.

If applications suddenly drop out of the App Store (horrendously unlikely) and force you to install them via sideloading, don't do it. It's entirely your prerogative.

Plus, I imagine Apple is going to make it quite involved to actually sideload anything. I think the old people in your life (incidentally, I know a lot more tech savvy older people than younger people, but that's neither here nor there) are safe from the nefarious clutches of added freedom.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by schrodinger on Monday April 17, 2023 @12:35PM (#35603158)
This is still an objectively worse outcome for the person who doesn't want sideloading (fwiw, I agree). There is a non-zero chance they'll lose access to apps they like / need to keep in touch with friends if they stick to their principles and avoid all sideload-only apps.
Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by andrekandre on Monday April 17, 2023 @12:11PM (#35602833)

  > I'll literally pay extra for a locked-down phone. 
would you prefer a mac or pc to be so as well?

if not, why just lockdown phones and not pcs?

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by ben_w on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:23PM (#35603739)
These days? Sadly, yes. With good reason, I cannot by default trust any software from the web.

Depending on how exactly this is done, it might yet be safe: we can have multiple roots of trust, multi multiple app stores, etc.

I'm nostalgic for the bygone days when I didn't feel even slightly concerned about spyware because no bank cards were stored on my device and tech companies didn't phone home so routinely that the EU nations unified their existing legislation into GDPR in a vain attempt to try to get them to stop.

But I don't see those days returning short of a Butlerian Jihad against anything post-2002.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by stouset on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:41PM (#35603979)
FWIW, I am a young person who's professionally employed in cybersecurity.

I also want a locked-down phone with no ability to sideload.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by nightski on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:55PM (#35604934)
Can you explain how this will compromise your ability to lock down your phone? Not only do you still have complete control over which apps you install, those that are installed are still subject to the same sandbox.

If you want only Apple "approved" apps, well you can still do that and you lose nothing. You can't really complain about side load only apps that aren't Apple approved then, because that is exactly what you want. But keep in mind this is orthogonal to the "locked down" level of your phone.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by andruby on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:26AM (#35602190)
> But I have zero power over the EU.

This is true for every powerful country that you are not a citizen of.

For example: EU citizens have zero power over US regulations forcing US companies to share data with them. Plenty of examples from other jurisdictions as well.

I don't think there is a way around this. A global market with these influences is still much better than fully isolated markets.

Re:iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps... by lenkite on Monday April 17, 2023 @03:43PM (#35605548)
I am very confused. Is someone forcing you to deliberately side-load apps ? If nobody is forcing you to do this, why do you want to force others to only use the App store ?