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Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by snehk on Saturday April 15, 2023 @12:24PM (#35582049)
This might be a good place to ask: I have Malwarebytes installed but aside from that nothing really. What's the recommended software stack to stay as protected as possible?
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by mwint on Saturday April 15, 2023 @12:29PM (#35582099)
On a Mac, just keep up with software updates and think really hard before overriding security warnings.

Also, don’t irritate any nation states.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by kitsunesoba on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:55PM (#35583483)
> On a Mac, just keep up with software updates and think really hard before overriding security warnings.

Also, while SIP wouldn't have helped in this particular situation, consider if it's really necessary to disable it. Living with SIP on is occasionally cumbersome, but I don't trust myself enough to run without it on, even as someone who's been a technically-minded computer user for coming up on a quarter of a century and a dev for over half of that.

If disabling SIP is ever truly necessary for me I think I'd do it in a VM. Especially on M-series machines virtualization of macOS has gotten quite good.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by josephcsible on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:18PM (#35583702)
Do you trust yourself to use Linux, even though it has no equivalent to SIP?
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by kitsunesoba on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:24PM (#35583770)
As things stand currently, sure. Nothing critical or tied to my livelihood is done on my gaming tower's dual booted Fedora install, it's mainly there to scratch tinkering itches. Similarly that tower's Windows install is used only for games and MS platform tinkering.

If Linux were to become my daily driver OS I'd probably enforce a greater degree of separation between machines, with e.g. one Linux box exclusively for work things, another for finance, etc which is pretty easy to do with cheap old laptops. This limits the potential blast radius and reduces chances of getting hit in the first place, with e.g. how there's no good reason to run random untrusted binaries on the finance laptop.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by olliej on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:10PM (#35583621)
I've literally never had a need to disable SIP. About the only reason you could possibly need to is if you're doing particularly weird kernel driver development, and I'm not sure that's needed even then.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by kitsunesoba on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:13PM (#35583649)
I think the most common cited reason to disable it that I've seen is the ability to attach a debugger to any program, even those using the hardened runtime, which isn't something I've needed thus far.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by saagarjha on Saturday April 15, 2023 @07:05PM (#35585542)
That’s not true, debugging system components is an important use case.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by mortenjorck on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:17PM (#35583699)
This is really the only Mac security advice anyone needs.

There are two categories of Mac malware: Ones where you have to enter your admin password into something that should have already raised several red flags by the time you see the prompt, or zero-days that are so stratospherically expensive that if you are an individual who would be targeted by one, malware is only one part of your overall threat model.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by GTP on Saturday April 15, 2023 @12:47PM (#35582265)
Being careful about what you're doing is the best antimalware, regardless of which OS you're using.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by ikekkdcjkfke on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:01PM (#35582392)
If you really want to go the distance, Remote Browser Isolation
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by the_third_wave on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:09PM (#35582477)
Linux. It has been "ready for the desktop" for more than a decade but it is not yet targeted by this type of malware. If it ends up being popular enough that will change but for now it is spared this disease. The advent of immutable distributions makes for a harder target for malware if and when this becomes a problem.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by danieldk on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:41PM (#35582746)
Most Linux distribution do still not have a properly verified boot chain, even something at the core of system boot like initrd is unsigned (which asks your LUKS password). There are immutable distributions, but they don't use sealed, cryptographically verified volumes. It is still trivial to modify the store in most immutable distributions to inject malware. User applications have no isolation at all, every app that parses untrusted input and does network access can read/write your whole home directory, including private keys, AWS credentials, etc. (most people don't use smartcards). Browsers only have some security because the browser developers have built their own sandboxes, but a determined actor can probably break it without too much issue through hardware acceleration APIs, etc.

macOS as many times more secure than the Linux desktop. The only reason Linux is not a malwarefest is because the market share is so small that it is not that interesting.

[1] https://0pointer.net/blog/brave-new-trusted-boot-world.html

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by aborsy on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:16PM (#35583102)
On the other hand, MacOS is closed source, so governments and Apple most likely have backdoors. Spyware counts too, when discussing malware.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by danieldk on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:23PM (#35583187)
Why do you believe governments don't have backdoors in the open source ecosystem? It's very easy to slip innocent looking bugs into open source projects with plausible deniability. See e.g. heartbleed or the Debian OpenSSL bug. Note that I am not claiming that these bugs are made by state actors. Just to show that it is easy to slip vulnerabilities in billions of lines of open source code that are used in a Linux desktop system. Heck, the FBI even tried to slip backdoors in OpenBSD which is only a marginal project in terms of high-value targets [1].

If any government has backdoors in macOS outside open source software in macOS, it is probably very limited (the US government if any, but Apple seems to resist most attempts at weakening security).

[1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/fbi-a...

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by aborsy on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:02PM (#35583543)
It’s much easier to put in a backdoor, or actually implement a small monitoring system, in a closed source operating system.

That’s much harder with open source software, not due to technical reasons, but because there is a good chance that eventually it will be discovered by some developer or security researcher. That will cause distrust of the government, and people going to defensive mode, making it much harder for governments to routinely hack into devices.

So, for example, the discovery of the flaw in the Debian random number generator had a huge impact. People who design security systems really pay attention to PRNGs nowadays (to the point that it seems weak PRNGs are no longer a significant concern in the mainstream desktop operating systems, though the issue obviously remains in IoT, virtual machines, HSMs etc).

Hiding the code for malware is common sense. That’s also why governments severely punish leaks these days.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by gls2ro on Sunday April 16, 2023 @01:49AM (#35587604)
I think your logic stands when thinking about individuals or private organisations.

But when thinking about state actors they almost have unlimited money/resources thus even if adding a backdoor is a bit harder on open source having unlimited money/resources makes it irrelevant.

Where “unlimited” = to the size of the open source organisation that maintains a bit of software.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by px43 on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:32PM (#35583267)
It's easy to hide backdoors in open source applications.

It's easy to detect backdoors in closed source applications.

People should definitely be using open source for as much as possible, because I want to live in a world that makes it as easy as possible for beginners to understand how their underlying software systems are working. The whole "backdoor" FUD just seems lazy though.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by isthiseasymode on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:21PM (#35582574)
I know I’ll ruffle some feathers on HN, but macOs is fine and probably the best OS for Mac (especially m1) hardware.

No reason to make your life harder unless you’re doing it for your own enjoyment.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by tgv on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:10PM (#35583039)
Linux for the desktop indeed has hardly progressed the last decade, and it sucks. Sure, gnome is more polished, but it's still a system for tinkerers. It's not user friendly and it's not a complete environment for end-users.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by cj on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:11PM (#35582498)
Enable Lockdown Mode if you’re truly paranoid (will degrade UX since lockdown disables certain OS features to reduce attack surface).

For the less paranoid, Mac malware is still incredibly rare if you only download and execute files from trusted sources (preferably the Mac App Store)

And keep all software/OS up to date.

PS - slightly unrelated but I’ve always been so confused as to why Mac comes with the firewall disabled by default.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by meindnoch on Saturday April 15, 2023 @01:13PM (#35582510)
Don't enter your password into random dialogs?
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by olliej on Saturday April 15, 2023 @03:11PM (#35583634)
Honestly though, in my experience macOS especially has a habit of presenting legitimate password dialogs completely out of the blue. It clearly trains users to enter their password into random dialogs that appear at random times.

This is something that hasn't been fixed despite years of complaints from the security community for exactly this reason.

It's especially annoying as touchid provides a standard authentication mechanism on macOS, that doesn't provide reusable credentials to anything.

Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by atty on Saturday April 15, 2023 @04:08PM (#35584080)
Agreed. I am so trained by macOS that it needs my iCloud password or account password randomly that I don’t even think about it anymore. I like to consider myself a savvy computer user, but I frankly only give myself a 50% chance at best of identifying a malicious password prompt at this point.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by rickette on Saturday April 15, 2023 @02:45PM (#35583384)
Use an outbound firewall like LuLu https://objective-see.org/products/lulu.html. It won't necessarily stop an infection but almost all malware wants to phone home. Explicitly approving every outbound request blocks this.
Re:New macOS malware steals info, including a user's entire ... by mac-chaffee on Sunday April 16, 2023 @12:48AM (#35587350)
The advice you are getting so far sucks. The default security settings on macOS are easy to bypass: https://www.macchaffee.com/blog/2023/hacking-myself/

Unfortunately these are design weaknesses, so any "software stack" would just be a bandaid.