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Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by voakbasda on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:18PM (#35572838)
While I agree this borders on the literally insane, that line of thinking starts down a slippery slope. At what point do we consider any religious beliefs that have deleterious effects on oneself to be mental illness? I still believe in self-determination, even if that determination leads to killing oneself.
Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by itisamentalill on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:37PM (#35573109)
We should _right now_ and it has nothing to do with self-determination.

Religious beliefs are an undiagnosed mental illness.

Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by voakbasda on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:48PM (#35573240)
Again, while I agree with this sentiment, I think self-determination should still win the day. It is far too easy to be labeled as mentally ill and be committed to unwanted treatment. That has been tried in the past, and it never ends well. If someone is mentally ill and refuses treatment, that needs to be respected, up to the point that their beliefs begin to cause harm to others.

Of course, that conclusion begs further questions. Should unwelcome proselytizing be considered an attempt to do harm? Should it be permissible to indoctrinate children into religion? These are not easy questions to answer without grossly infringing some individuals' rights to free speech and religion.

Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by unethical_ban on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:52PM (#35573288)
Arbitrary societal consensus is how.

It doesn't seem too wild to use irrational belief in something (faith) to make oneself happier through tough times.

It does seem wild to spend your final days in a pit alone until you starve/dehydrate to death painfully.

Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by throwawaymaths on Friday April 14, 2023 @03:28PM (#35573627)
Starvation is quite euphoric. After about three days of not eating I feel fantastic.
Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by satellites on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:36PM (#35576534)
The trouble with arbitrary societal consensus is that it’s arbitrary. And not necessarily any wiser than an individual’s personal desires.

These monks aren’t impulsively killing themselves, they seem to be towards the end of their lives anyway and are choosing how they want to go out. I don’t see what’s wrong with that. I might prefer to be in hospice hopped up on drugs when I pass, but I won’t claim to be morally superior for it.

Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by michaelmrose on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:41PM (#35574464)
> At what point do we consider any religious beliefs that have deleterious effects on oneself to be mental illness?

Religion is basically always a socially acceptable mental illness that we not only tolerated but encouraged because it has been a part of civilization since before we formed the basic premises for what constitutes a civilization.

Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by lazide on Friday April 14, 2023 @05:20PM (#35574924)
For any society to exist, we have to pick something to believe in. And anything we pick, will have contrary evidence or not make sense at least some of the time.

That doesn’t make it an illness, unless it produces massively negative outcomes.

Re:Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave by shrimp_emoji on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:46PM (#35574515)
It's perfectly normal to have imaginary friends (especially when you have no one else to help get you through rough times).