Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by op00to on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:26AM
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The "arms-length consulting" is absolutely illegal in the US, I'm surprised that it doesn't seem to be that way for the EU.
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Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by ridgered4 on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:37AM
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Based on those trainings I also have to take yearly, the US has a weird carve out for "facilitation payments" that are basically just bribes to cut through red tape and delays that probably exist just to extract bribes in the first place. But I do remember the training calling out using a third party intermediary to launder your bribes isn't a defense and you're suppose to be responsible for how your money is used. I suspect the later isn't well enforced though but I couldn't say.
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by mrguyorama on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:39PM
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My training at different global companies has always specified "Facilitation Payments" as explicitly illegal
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by op00to on Sunday April 16, 2023 @12:45PM
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It’s stupid complicated, but essentially right. The legality of facilitation depends on the laws of all the jurisdictions involved. So where it’s legal and customary, say, in Egypt or whatever, I think, you can get away with it. Because how else would you get anything done?
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by cedilla on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:44AM
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It is.
I guess people just don't know that that it's just as illegal, or feel it's less objectionable than paying bribes directly. Or they speculate that it's harder to prove.
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by mrweasel on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:34AM
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I think they know, or at least see that it's an issue, but what are they suppose to do? Either they stay out of a large number of countries, which seriously hamper their options for expansion or they speculate in it being hard to prove.
It also create an uneven playing field. Western countries can't do business in large part of the world, while companies from those same countries are free to sell anywhere.
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ...
by vkou on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:16PM
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You don't have a god-given right to run your business in every country in the world, especially when the manner in which you are doing so breaks the law of the countries you are headquartered in.
If you did, sanctioned countries wouldn't be a thing.
'I want to make money' isn't some kind of first, last, or sole moral consideration, overriding all others.