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Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by eru on Friday April 14, 2023 @05:51AM (#35567469)
The comment you replied to said the opposite. They said:

> You need a rule of law, to tame corruption and no non-democracy has that.

As far as I can tell, that implies the only combination that's impossible is non-democracy and non-corruption. Ie all non-democracies are corrupt, but some democracies might also be corrupt.

Btw, I don't think that's even true: British ruled Hong Kong had rule of law, but no democracy.

However statistically, there seems to be at least a weak correlation (negative) between corruption and democracy.

Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by TheCoelacanth on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:20AM (#35570526)
Without democracy the rule of law itself is corrupt.
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by eru on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:27PM (#35571380)
What definitions of democracy, rule of law and corruption are you using here?

As long as contracts are being upheld, and court decisions are speedy and predictable, and public officials don't enrich themselves, that counts as low / no corruption, doesn't it?

Democracy might help with that ideal, but it's by no means strictly necessary.

Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by TheCoelacanth on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:26PM (#35572138)
Rule of law in a non-democratic polity inherently benefits its rulers more than other citizens. That is legally-enforced corruption.
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by eru on Saturday April 15, 2023 @05:48AM (#35579085)
What definition of corruption are you using here?

As far as I can tell, an absolute monarchy that is run for the benefit of the ruler can still have rule of law and low corruption.

As an alternate history example, take Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore, but make him king and increase his salary to 1 billion SGD per year (instead of 1 million SGD per year). Change nothing else.

They would still be one of the least corrupt countries on earth, and have a judiciary that enforces the rule of law.

> Rule of law in a non-democratic polity inherently benefits its rulers more than other citizens.

That can and does happen in democracies, too.

Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by TheCoelacanth on Saturday April 15, 2023 @12:57PM (#35582355)
That's no different than if the president of the US used his power to acquire money. The only difference is that in Singapore the law itself has been corrupted to allow it.

Corruption, and even corrupt laws, exist in democracies too, but in a non-democracy all laws are inherently corrupt. Non-democracies have no legitimate basis for even having laws.

Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by eru on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:06PM (#35596457)
What makes democracies magically more legitimate?
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by za3faran on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:08PM (#35571906)
Can you elaborate? To me this makes no sense whatsoever, and I can easily provide a counter example. Islam is not democratic in the Western sense, yet its laws curb corruption.
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by esafak on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:37PM (#35573114)
Democracy leads to better government in general, which leads to reduced corruption. People in Islamic countries accurately think their countries are corrupt: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022
Re:Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and ... by za3faran on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @02:06AM (#35624772)
Correlation vs causation. Those Islamic countries are still facing occupation especially from post WWI mandates like Sykes Picot and Balfour, and we see first hand the interest of "democratic" countries to keep things that way to ensure their superiority by force. They are not letting things take their natural course.