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Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by loopdoend on Sunday February 05, 2012 @11:30PM (#3556207)
You do realize that the whole point of these games is socially engineering people into parting with as much money as possible, right? They're paying money for a chance at winning certain pixels and you're pretending in your head that they're all wealthy millionaires and justifying it to yourself.

If you don't want to make games for addicts perhaps you should stop working for companies that make games for addicts. You're not fooling me.

Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by physcab on Sunday February 05, 2012 @11:38PM (#3556230)
> You do realize that the whole point of these games is socially engineering people into parting with as much money as possible, right?

Isn't this the point of any business?

> If you don't want to make games for addicts perhaps you should stop working for companies that make games for addicts.

I don't believe we make games for addicts. When I show our game to my friends and family they say things like "oh this game is cute", "this creature is funny", etc. The vast majority of our users are people who enjoy casual gaming when they're bored sitting on a plane or on the train.

Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by loopdoend on Monday February 06, 2012 @12:03AM (#3556274)
That vast majority of your users account for what, like 10% of your revenue, or less? The real point of your product is targeting addicts, whales, as you called them, and manipulating them into paying money for nothing. Yes, actually nothing, because you rig the odds and dangle carrot shaped pixels above their heads and use every psychological trick in the book, the state of the art, to get them to keep playing.

That is not the point of business for me, most businesses offer something of value.

Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by physcab on Monday February 06, 2012 @12:29AM (#3556320)
See my comment here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3556270

Would you feel the same way if we changed the business model from virtual currency to a fixed-cost one?

Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by anon808 on Monday February 06, 2012 @01:32AM (#3556439)
> Isn't this the point of any business?

No, you get to decide what the point of the business you work for is. No one else does, you do. There's no rule that says the point of any/every businesses is to get people to part with as much money as possible.

Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by jarek on Monday February 06, 2012 @12:39AM (#3556340)
> Isn't this the point of any business?

In a way, but at my last employer, the people being socially engineered were employees of our clients who then had to jump through several hoops to justify their plans - often numerically - and get business spending on our services authorized, not putative millionaires trickling down their personal hard-earned wealth.

Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by javascriptlol on Monday February 06, 2012 @04:00AM (#3556733)
This is the problem with large businesses; they can always say the supposed positives to the majority outweigh the real harms they are doing to a minority. Don't you think inducing people to click on stuff over and over with absolutely no skill is unethical? Comparing "social games" to other harmless diversions is like comparing a culture of drinking a few beers at the end of the week with a culture of encouraging people to drink as much as they want.
Re:Former Zynga Engineer doing AMA on reddit by Stormbringer on Monday February 06, 2012 @12:36AM (#3556331)
Quick! Alert the people selling software that it's just pixels! It's pixels all the way down!