> San Francisco recorded 56 homicides each in 2022 and 2021, up over 36% from 2019, when there were 41 homicides, according to police department data. Despite the increase, the number of homicides in San Francisco is well below that of other cities of a similar size, data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association shows.
> Indianapolis, for example, witnessed 271 homicides in 2021 and 226 in 2022. Jacksonville, Florida, meanwhile, saw 129 homicides in 2021 and 154 in 2022, while 204 homicides took place in Columbus, Ohio, in 2021 and 140 in 2022.
> Violent crimes in San Francisco, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault, reached a high in 2013 with 7,164 violent crimes, according to California Department of Justice data. But they have tapered off significantly in the past couple of years. San Francisco now falls in the lower middle of the pack when compared with several cities of a similar population, according to data from the Major Cities Police Chiefs Association.
San Francisco is just "average", and possibly "below average", for violent crime. Claiming it is one of the most violent cities in the country is just hysterics with no basis in reality.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/06/us/san-francisco-crime-bob-le...
Former, recent resident with a penchant for late-night dancing (read: frequently ended up in "seedy" areas in the middle of the night) chiming in. Never felt as though I was in danger while out and about, day or night, and never felt that SF was a more violent city than others.
But thank you for speaking for everyone.
Source: been there, got whacked.
Completely false and you only have to look at the police crime dashboard to know that. I'm a resident and can say that the numbers track pretty closely with my experience here anyway.
To be fair the phrasing "one of the most XXX" has a LOT of wiggle room at best, and is technically a tautology at worst.
Crime Rate(per 1,000 residents):
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/jacksonville/crime - 33.76
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/indianapolis/crime - 42.52
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime - 54.33
as a reference point:
The news article (and many comments in this thread) says the exact opposite:
> San Francisco is home to much in the way of visible public misery, unnerving street behavior and overt drug-use. Its property crime rate has long been high, and the police clearance rate for property crimes has long been minimal. But the city’s violent crime rate is at a near-historic low and is lower than that in most mid-to-large-sized cities.
Property crime is sky-high, sure. Violent crime is a totally different category. It is important not to mix them up.
2021 homicide rate across comparable cities:
St Louis 66.5 Detroit 47.9 Phila 34.8 Milwaukee 33.9 ... Austin 8.2 SF 6.9 ... NY 5.5
https://abc7news.com/amp/san-francisco-crime-rate-bob-lee-sf...
We can talk about other types of violent crime (maybe the other ones are higher, I haven't looked into them recently) but let's at least stick to the well-defined categories and since you said it's "objectively one of the most violent" then we should be able to back that up with stats in each category: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
Aka more rich people are the target in SF compared to other cities where mostly lower class people are effected?
In Chicago, Baltimore, all those other cities HNers turn up their nose at you might get shot in a convenience store robbery, you might get knifed by a mugger, but realistically the overwhelming majority of the violence is drug dealers and users and distributors settling scores amongst themselves (because they can't use the courts to do it for them).
Contrast with SF where the overall amount of violent crime is lower but it is much, much more concentrated toward the randomly targeted crime targeted at people not already involved in activity beyond the law end of the scale meaning that your odds of getting shot in a convenience store robbery or knifed by a mugger are higher in SF than a "normal" city of equivalent violent crime rates per capita.
Might want to look at some relevant data; https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-crime-rate-bob-lee-sf-vio... has a handy chart halfway down, if you're not interested in reading.
Also the parent said "violent crime" not just homicides. In addition it is known that homicides among the homeless, of which SF is known to have many, are underreported.
Plus there is plenty of property crime as well.
In that case, try this[0] one that another HNer posted. It even allows you to sort by type of crime.
> In addition it is known that homicides among the homeless, of which SF is known to have many, are underreported.
Uhhh...Have you ever been around a decomposing corpse? They're not so easy to hide or dispose of, and the population you're talking about isn't likely to have the resources to do so.
As such, you might want to check the "source" of information you're relying on for that assertion. That said, I could be completely wrong and SF's homeless community has a bustling trade in disposing of bodies. But that seems pretty unlikely, don't you think?
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
Edit: Added the missing link.