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Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by enlyth on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:40PM (#35548046)
Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, hackernews, and so on, are destined to be an echo chamber. You can feel it here too, even though HN is heavily moderated.

And say what you want about 4chan, but the most popular open source machine learning frontends come from /g/, that is, Automatic1111's stable diffusion, ComfyUI from Comfyanomyous, and oobabooga text-generation-ui for running LLMs locally. It's a place which is hostile to the lowest common denominator of the internet, which functions as a great filter for better or worse.

If you want a comfortable safe space that shields you from being offended, the popular social networks are great for you, but if you have thick skin and can handle unfiltered conversation, there is nothing more visceral and organic than 4chan, despite all its warts.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by velox_neb on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @07:42PM (#35548708)
Surely at this point half the content on /pol/ is from professional propagandists and LLM-powered bots, trying to create the impression of a "4chan consensus" to sway anyone stupid enough to be taken in by that.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by gruez on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:04PM (#35549916)
Why would professional propagandists care to influence a mongolian basket weaving forum? Even if they do succeed, their audience is going to be largely social outcasts with very little power or influence in society.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by corbulo on Thursday April 13, 2023 @05:04AM (#35552822)
Respectfully, meme magic says otherwise
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by bestcoder69 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:29PM (#35549168)
Laughing to myself imagining the people believing you, thinking “hmm methinks I could use a little intellectual diversity in my bubble”, they click over to 4chan, take a big sip of coffee, and… actually look at it. lol

e: I’ll concede you can find different opinions there. Just, I wanna see a video feed of an unsuspecting person actually trying to go there to, like, learn.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by gruez on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:01PM (#35549895)
>e: I’ll concede you can find different opinions there. Just, I wanna see a video feed of an unsuspecting person actually trying to go there to, like, learn.

Learning about opposing viewpoints doesn't count as learning?

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by bestcoder69 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @08:24AM (#35554315)
Imagine I said whatever you wanted me to say to that and have fun with it, man. You deserve it.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by corbulo on Thursday April 13, 2023 @05:02AM (#35552807)
There's an adjustment period to understand each boards specific signal:noise. You can't just walk in and find Aristotle and Kant figuring shit out.

Each board has its ridiculous bullshit, groupthink, absurd extremists, edgelords, etc. once you know how to parse that you can quickly navigate to quality posts.

Each board of course has different signal:noise though, somewhere like /lit/ is probably 1:20 whereas /pol/ is probably 1:500-1/1000. But the quality posts are totally different from what you'll find anywhere else. Different users and audience.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by kcatskcolbdi on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:02PM (#35549901)
Also elevenlabs ai started as an offshoot of the MLP voice generation threads.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by lisasays on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:29PM (#35550105)
Take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation.

And this is ... a good thing?

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by throwaway202303 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:38PM (#35550191)
yes
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by generalizations on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:45PM (#35550241)
What, you prefer a bubble? Things were far better before the opposing viewpoints walled themselves off and refused to communicate with the people who disagreed with them. Isn't the political divide one of the big problems in (US) society these days?
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by lisasays on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @10:48PM (#35550272)
What, you prefer a bubble?

False dichotomy.

Just because I don't like the same radio station you like - doesn't mean I want to live in a bubble, and only listen to my own music.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by kelipso on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:24PM (#35550520)
When 50% of the population likes that radio station, then yeah it means you want to live in a bubble.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by lisasays on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:07AM (#35556623)
So if 50 percent of the town I live in watches Fox News, and I don't -- I'm living in a bubble?
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by kelipso on Thursday April 13, 2023 @01:45PM (#35559251)
If Fox News is different enough from the news you watch, then yes, obviously.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by lisasays on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:06PM (#35604299)
My take is a source is "bubbly" or not on the basis of its content.

Not the portion of people in your immediate vicinity who happen to read/listen to it.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by marcosdumay on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:30PM (#35550563)
This doesn't make a site right-wing.

I don't think it's good, that's why I don't go there. But the discussion was never whether it was good.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by account42 on Thursday April 13, 2023 @07:42AM (#35553945)
> Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this.

It's not so much the voting that makes things lopsided but when posts are ordered or deemphasized based on those votes or if the actual moderators are opposed to free speech ideals. I can think of at least two low-moderation forums that do manage to host people of opposing opinions for the Ukraine war and other topics so it's not like 4chan is particularly unnique, just bigger and better known.