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Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by giraffe_lady on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:35PM (#35547307)
Yeah I guess that's what it really comes down to. I am willing to make you sad to make it harder for nazis to organize and recruit.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by Dalewyn on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:42PM (#35548059)
A true advocate of free speech would defend someone's right to be a nazi even if they vehemently disagree with them.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by Amezarak on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:45PM (#35548083)
Do you have a specific definition of "nazi" in mind we can apply in a reasonable way?

The usual problem I see is anti-"nazi" rhetoric quickly descends into dehumanization rhetoric about how such people don't deserve to live, should be ejected from all civil society, and must be relentlessly persecuted by every legal and social mechanism possible; in fact, all the suspension of every civil right is acceptable if it means stopping nazis. At the same time, it seems that almost everybody who lived in 1940 would be considered a Nazi by today's rather loose standards, and everybody tries to paint their opponents as nazis (even conservatives have the rather inept 'actually, Nazis were SOCIALISTS" retort) and apply this sort of rhetoric to what even 10 years ago was a completely mainstream liberal.

Certainly 4chan is full of reprobates of every flavor. But if you live in a society where the existence of Nazi rhetoric is actually dangerous, well, you've already lost your free society. People don't read deranged Internet rants and become mass murderers unless they were born in raised in an already broken, atomized society. The ideology is the excuse for the violence, not the cause. And unfortunately, this sort of rhetoric (we have to do whatever it takes to stop nazis) is also indicative of an worsening social environment.

And typically, in worsening social environments, where a variety of ideologies become excuses for broken and/or desperate people to become violent, the government will become more and more totalitarian in response. And we’ll cheer it along.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by jackothy on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:49PM (#35548124)
If someone is stupid enough to fall for the lackluster logic of Neo-Nazis then I see that as a problem with our public education, not with the moderation policy of a website. Sure, enforcing "correct" speech at all times could potentially lead to more harmony in society, but I would much, much rather invest in empowering people to think critically for themselves. Many are already able to resist the persuasiveness of propaganda, ads, conspiracy theories, and extremist groups that are all around us today. Teach this skill of resistance instead of trying to baby-proof society.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by lazyeye on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:52PM (#35548155)
And then all you have to do is define "everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi" and you've got not only full-blown censorship but also the moral high-ground!

I know, I know for the sake of appearances we don't define everyone who disagrees with us as a nazi, that would be too obvious (although we still do alot).

We describe the broad spectrum of perfectly main-stream, otherwise unremarkable views (but that disagree with us) as "nazi supporters", dog-whistlers etc.

Too easy.

Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by chuddington on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @08:48PM (#35549351)
And I'm willing to make you sad by letting anyone come together and express themselves. Leftist censorship will never win
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by hezralig on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:23PM (#35549602)
Remember when the Nazis were cancelled in WW2? You will be censored in the same way one day.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by maxbond on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @09:27PM (#35549639)
You can't just threaten to kill people because they're rude on the internet.
Re:Discord Meme Group Is at the Center of Uproar over Leaked... by hezralig on Saturday April 15, 2023 @04:16PM (#35584142)
Who made a threat?