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Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by vincnetas on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:37AM (#35536632)
Do you have numbers on surgeries. Im curious how "not rate" are they.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:51AM (#35536729)
I only have my phone right now, difficult to search.

Maybe this story had some details. https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

In the UK they had to close a gender clinic (Tavistock) when all the misconduct became public.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by vidarh on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:31AM (#35537027)
That story does not support your claim.

And Tavistock was not doing surgeries.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:31PM (#35543467)
It was just an article I remembered about a whistleblower in the US. As I said, I only have my phone right now, so no good way to search.

Many of those kids who are given hormones will end up getting surgery, as blocking hormones is also said to block the process of people settling in their "gender".

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by vidarh on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:32PM (#35544521)
It "might be said" but that makes no sense to anyone who knew firmly what their gender identity was from early childhood. The norm is around 4 years of age. It also makes no sense given that dysphoria does disappear for a portion of patients irrespective of which hormones they're on. As well as for those on puberty blockers. The entire point of puberty blockers is allow for delaying the decision on going on hormones or surgery as long as needed for the patient to be able to make an informed choice.

And of course a lot of the kids given hormones will end up getting surgery, because their dysphoria is highly unlikely to resolve itself with or without hormones and for those whose dysphoria does not resolve surgery will be the best option for many - hence the very low regret rates.

And hence the drive to get puberty blockers to delay the need to decide on either.

You're buying into a hysteria founded on ignoring the actual and immoral harm being inflicted on trans youth by those seeking to deny them care in order to try to pretend they mostly don't exist. It's at best deeply misguided, at worst deeply bigoted.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:10PM (#35545103)
The dysphoria actually dissolves in most cases, not just in a few cases. And the hormone blockers allegedly also prevent the dysphoria from dissolving in many cases.Hormone blockers also have severe side effects, even possible sterilisation.

Since most people end up not actually being trans, more people are now hurt by pushing transitioning as the solution for everything.

And you absolutely can not deny that it is being pushed.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by stonogo on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @05:55PM (#35547554)
Sure I can. Watch:

It is not being pushed.

I'm on my phone so I can't back that up, but we've already established in this thread that is sufficient grounds to be believed.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @06:12PM (#35547750)
Yeah you can say that, but then you just signal that you don't want to be taken seriously.

Not sure how you manage to live in so much denial, but if you can truly pull it off, congratulations! May it work out well for you!

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by stonogo on Thursday April 13, 2023 @11:39AM (#35557128)
Not taking the word of a random web comment who makes extraordinary claims with no evidence is not any denial at all, in fact. It's working wonderfully, and will continue to do so for many generations.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Thursday April 13, 2023 @06:06PM (#35562770)
If all indications you have seen for the topic being pushed on kids are my comments, you are in extreme denial.
Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by dang on Saturday April 15, 2023 @11:56AM (#35581798)
We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. Regardless of what you're battling for, that's not allowed here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by dang on Saturday April 15, 2023 @11:56AM (#35581805)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by dang on Saturday April 15, 2023 @11:57AM (#35581812)
You also perpetuated this flamewar very badly. Please avoid such things in the future. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:35PM (#35543520)
Hetre are some numbers: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...

Unclear how many of the kids who receive hormones end up getting surgery.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by vidarh on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:33PM (#35544540)
So a miniscule number, and one where the best approach to reducing it further is to encourage the use of puberty blockers to prevent getting to the stage where it is the best option until they are better able to give consent.

And yet you're arguing for denying them the option that'd reduce the demand for these surgeries.

Re:After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic'... by transcoderx on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:06PM (#35545040)
Several hundred mutilated teens per year, without a solid medical basis. There is no medical test to diagnose that somebody is trans.

And you don't know how many are pushed into surgeries later by the hormone blockers, which already have irreversible effects themselves.

And numbers also haven't tripled in a few years just because society is more accepting or whatever (while we supposedly have a moral panic against it, too).