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Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by adfm on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @02:58PM (#35529732)
It's worth investigating the effect of ballpoint pen technology on society. Beyond cleanliness and general convenience, the ballpoint pen has stood as an example of technological innovation that makes the rounds in one form or another as the central figure of progress, yet there is a dark side to its past. The Fisher Space Pen did its part to promote the American space program of the 1960s and Xi used the lowly ballpoint as a sticking point to drive innovation into the 2020s, but you don't hear about the poor ergonomics, handwriting atrophy, or lack of cursive being taught in elementary school. We need to consider the analog along with the digital if we're going to elevate ourselves out of the mess we're wallowing in. The education system needs all the help it can get, but in addition to one laptop per child, it would be a good idea to give them analog clocks so they can tell time and fountain pens so they can learn the why and how to read cursive.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by kstrauser on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @05:26PM (#35531802)
Does anyone actually care about cursive beyond personal interest? I haven’t used it since 5th grade and haven’t missed it one bit.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by yarg on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:15PM (#35533860)
It's faster, so yes?
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by diffeomorphism on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @01:14AM (#35535284)
There are faster versions, but probably not so much the ones that are commonly taught. Also, most of the time one writes plenty fast enough. The only case I can think of where more speed is essential is steno and that is not cursive.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by jandrewrogers on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:10AM (#35535628)
If you want speed, there are better options, not the least of which is a keyboard (or steno etc). I haven’t had a use case for cursive since it was required in elementary school. For most purposes that don’t care about speed it is inferior to the block writing styles I learned for engineering.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:13AM (#35536442)
I swear, many years ago, there were papers published that showed print-style handwriting was quicker. Up until then I would have agreed with you; now I'm not so sure, and the sources have drifted into the mists of memory.

Worth a check.

Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by somat on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @10:54PM (#35534468)
If you write a bunch by hand it is worth it to invest a bit of time into developing a good cursive skill.

But I have to admit I agree with you, I have a very hard time reading cursive(mainly because I don't have to do it much) and I never did have the interest in developing a neat hand. so for what little hand writing I do block characters serve me well enough. hell, most of the time I drop the lowercase letters as well.

Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by aporetics on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @11:16PM (#35534612)
What categories of concern are you interested in beyond “personal”? Social? Cultural? Functional? Economic?
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by kstrauser on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:32AM (#35535776)
The person I replied to seemed to imply it was bad that kids aren’t taught cursive. I’ve heard that opinion before, as if cursive were intrinsically valuable. I think it’s like any other hobby skill: if you like using it because of your own enjoyment, awesome! But that doesn’t mean it’s inherently worthwhile for anyone else.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by thom on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:22AM (#35536090)
I care inasmuch as each of my kids had perfectly readable handwriting up until the moment their school wasted weeks teaching them cursive at which point their writing became a mess, which in turn caused them a fair bit of anxiety over the years. I would have rather they spent the time on literally anything else.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by jimbob45 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:25AM (#35536110)
+1 to this

You’d never know it without asking me but my sloppy handwriting is the product of trying to add cursive concepts to my print writing style because everyone said cursive was good therefore it must only be able to enhance print writing. What a phenomenally useless skill. I could have spent those hours reading books.

Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by xxpor on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @11:33AM (#35541464)
I wonder if the SAT still makes you write the anti-cheating pledge on the back of your answer book in cursive
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by maeln on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:29AM (#35536143)
The whole nation of France :) . We learn to write in cursive and this is how most of us continue to write.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by baggsie on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @03:56AM (#35536309)
The difference with France is that kids (at least mine) learn cursive from a very young age - in the UK where I'm from we learnt cursive when I was around 9 or 10 by which time the bad habits have already been formed.
Re:The Best Pens for 2023: Gel, Ballpoint, Rollerball, and F... by maeln on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @04:09AM (#35536404)
Yes, when I said "we learn to write in cursive" I should have said, this is the first and only way we learn to write :) . We actually have the opposite issue. My script handwriting is awful because I never had to learn/use it. For paperwork we sometime have to write letter separately, but it is different than real script writing.