Re:Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penal...
by akomtu on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:00PM
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It does prevent state violence the same way nukes prevent world wars. State violence rarely looks like soldiers vs citizens, because soldiers would rebel if they were given such an order. What tyrannical states do is they employ a third party, gangsters or cartels, that are given a carte-blanche to terrorize citizens. See what happened in Hong Kong: CCP hired Triads, those attacked citizens, while the riot police standed behind and arrested _citizens_ who dared to push back. The same cannot happen in the US because the gangsters would be outnumbered 1000:1, and the order to engage soldiers against citizens would split the army into competing factions. Edit: when I say gangsters I don't mean those who rob banks, I mean radicalized mobs who are far more dangerous because their motive is not money, but ideological control.
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Re:Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penal...
by Spooky23 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:45PM
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What happened in the United States when cheap guns began flooding the streets?
A: Tactical teams with automatic weapons, sometimes snipers or air support now serve warrants and raid moderate risk suspects.
We don’t have a tyrannical government. The US unrest scenario is different than China as the citizenry is neutral or pro-government, but you have a vocal minority. We have reactionary political parties that use armed LARPer militias to intimidate voters and influence policy.
Re:Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penal...
by 1101010010 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:56PM
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Can you name just one example of a US armed "militia" intimidating a voter?
Re:Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penal...
by paulryanrogers on Sunday April 09, 2023 @08:59AM
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Re:Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penal...
by sdfghswe on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:21AM
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Facts don't win over committed ideologues.
He'll just tell you why this example is different and/or doesn't apply to the conversation and/or your point.
"Can you name JUST ONE example??!"
"Here's one"
"Nooooo that doesn't count!!! Those patriots are good people! They're just there to stop black people from stealing the votes"
Re:Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penal...
by akomtu on Sunday April 09, 2023 @04:30AM
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I'm far more worried about BLM-style riots. Iirc, in Seattle they even managed to cordone off parts of the city, called them "autonomous zones" and declared themselves kingpins of the square, while the gov forces were ordered to not engage. The local citizens who lived there had to get over it. Only when BLM kingpins killed someone the gov forces had to engage.