Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by sgt on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:05AM
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What happens if you marry a Swiss chick, will they give you citizenship or did they plug that hole as well?
Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by flanked-evergl on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:12AM
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> Swiss chick
You get you are talking about another person, right? Not some object to be used for selfish aims?
Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by atemerev on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:14AM
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After five years (+2 years of the process itself), while constantly checking if your marriage is still alive and well (like, spying on you or asking your neighbors or even calling your kids at 7AM if you have any; and, of course, endless interviews for both you and your wife to exclude that your marriage is fictional).
I am already married, though.
Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by gdy on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:54AM
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"(to Russia, of course, where you most probably will be jailed in no time)"
Only if you publicly protest against the war.
"and you can’t go out"
Really? Lot's of opposition figures emigrated from Russia since the war started.
Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by atemerev on Friday April 07, 2023 @01:17PM
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They did, because either they didn’t have criminal charges against them yet, or were smuggled out of the country illegally.
If you have criminal charges against you in Russia, you can’t get out. And at this point you can be sentenced to 5 years for “discriminating the army” if you write publicly in a social network that you are against war or that there were war crimes. Many people who did are already in jail, others will be detained if they attempt border crossing.
Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by gdy on Monday April 10, 2023 @04:53AM
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You'd first get administrative charges and a fine. Sometimes you can even fight off the fine in the court -- I personally know someone who did.
After that you either shut up or leave the country, which of course is very bad.
Re:Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their chi...
by proletar666 on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @06:12PM
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They just reinstated крепостное право, now one can't leave the country if a military recruitment office (военкомат) sent a summon letter (even if you don't receive it. You have to check yourself manually on a special website beforehand). Along with other restrictions like ban on transactions involving real estate (land, apartments, houses) and such.
1) Immigration is hard. Particularly when you are not from a well-developed country with a powerful passport. You will live on a borrowed time, where the host country will invent reasons to deport you (to Russia, of course, where you most probably will be jailed in no time). I live in Switzerland for 18 years, and still on a temporary residence permit, as the Swiss government invents more and more creative laws and rules to deny me a permanent residence, not to mention citizenship, which is a pipe dream at this point.
2) Leaving your parents and elder relatives might not be something many people are ready for. In Russia, there is a strong notion that children are supposed to support their parents in the old age.
3) One misadventure with the Russian law (and many people from Russian opposition have a lot of them for their protests), and you can’t go out. You will be stopped at the border. The ability to exit the country is a privilege in Russia; not yet at the level it used to be in the USSR, but a privilege nonetheless.
4) Some heroic people think that they have to stay and fight, instead of quitting. It might be near impossible, but they have a reason.
Etc, etc. Those who could move out are really lucky. I am lucky, too.