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Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by gruez on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:25AM (#35439198)
>The first is roughly why does a company with many billions in the bank need to lay off anyone.

because it's a for-profit company, not a jobs program.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cmiles74 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:39AM (#35439398)
I'm not sure the distinction here is all that useful. From the point-of-view of the UK government, employing people and paying taxes are important roles companies like Google need to play. It seems to me that the rules around redundancy have been put in place to discourage just the sort of layoffs Google is trying to put in place (i.e., lay off N% of everyone).
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by luckylion on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:59AM (#35439739)
Google employees could have volunteered to share their outsized salaries with their laid-off colleagues.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cmiles74 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:01AM (#35439775)
Is that really true? I believe that this is exactly the sort of negotiation in which Google UK decided they wouldn't participate.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by luckylion on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:56AM (#35440660)
You don't need Google UK to give money to people you know. Get together with them, exchange contact details, set up a recurring payment from your account, done.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by nonethewiser on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:21AM (#35441124)
Can’t I just spend someone else’s money instead?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by gruez on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:22AM (#35440112)
>From the point-of-view of the UK government, employing people and paying taxes are important roles companies like Google need to play.

That's only true in the vaguest sense, and not something that's inscribed in law. According to a link someone else shared[1], the only real requirement is for google to do a "consultation". There's no requirement or duty to keep people employed.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/consultation

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cmiles74 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:18AM (#35441064)
This page outlines the rights of the person being laid off, there are a couple other pages out there that outline the responsibilities of the company[1]. Among other things there is a requirement to notify the UK government if they plan to let go of 20 or more employees. It's clearly stated[2] that this information goes directly to job assistance and training for the unemployed.

It's up for debate but I do think this indicates that the UK government is concerned about companies laying off a large number of people. In my opinion, this and the rules around the fair selection process are designed to make mass layoffs less attractive to companies.

In regards to how the activities of a company like Google appear to any regional government, I do think the two most important functions of that company are to employ people in the region and pay taxes to the regional government. They do not seem vague to me and, in this case, we have laws on both sides: some that deal with taxes and others that deal with employment and layoffs.

[1]: https://nhglobalpartners.com/employee-redundancy-in-the-uk/

[2]: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/redundancy-paymen...

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by voidfunc on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:35AM (#35439350)
The entitlement is off the charts. People have completely lost perspective on how money is made and where they fit into the money making machine.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by pm90 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:40AM (#35439424)
Maybe? Or maybe you have lost perspective on what purpose money actually serves and whether a model that hyper prioritizes it over the well being of people might not be the best approach.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by jwestbury on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:48AM (#35439537)
Counter-point: The money-making machine exists to serve people, not the other way around.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by NovemberWhiskey on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:55AM (#35439667)
Yes; but the shareholders - not the employees.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by HDThoreaun on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:51PM (#35443457)
Serve the shareholders. Not employees, and certainly not the government of the UK.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:58AM (#35440720)
Corporation works to maximize benefit for shareholders at the expense of its employees: "What do you expect, this is capitalism working as intended."

Employee works to maximize benefit for themselves at the expense of their employer: "Ugh, what entitlement."

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cmh89 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @11:35AM (#35441351)
>The entitlement is off the charts.

People are just sick of corporations causing havoc in our lives.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by voidfunc on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:05PM (#35441809)
> People are just sick of corporations causing havoc in our lives.

Corporations have brought most of us ridiculous amounts of prosperity.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cmh89 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:24PM (#35442105)
That's what they'd like to believe! Corporations didn't build the interstate network, provide stable economic conditions, or create a literate, educated workforce.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by voidfunc on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:03PM (#35442716)
They generated the wealth that people paid taxes from to fund those things. You think any of that stuff is free?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cmh89 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:23PM (#35444679)
Are you under the impression that taxes and came after capitalism?
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by UncleMeat on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:40AM (#35439418)
In some countries, corporations are seen to be in service of both their employees and their investors.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by shubb on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:52AM (#35439613)
E.g. German employee reps on boards
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by photonbeam on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:32AM (#35439299)
Then they should be more careful opening offices in foreign jurisdictions
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by danpalmer on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @09:51AM (#35439599)
If the company was never going to hire again this might make sense, but laying off 12k people to just re-hire those roles in a year is counter productive.

The absolute cost to not laying them of is a small proportion of the cash in the bank, and the company would have maintained the pretty great culture it had, kept the loyalty that has otherwise been burnt, and saved on future hiring costs.

Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by hotpotamus on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:18AM (#35440041)
I agree, and it's worth remembering next time conservatives start calling oligarchs "job creators" or whatever slavish euphemism they come up with next.
Re:Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts by cudgy on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @12:47PM (#35456987)
Only to pay out severance and rehire the same number of people along with all the expenses associated with rehiring over the next few years. Also, the reputation of Google being one of the most stable companies to work for is sullied, likely never to return to its prior luster. All of these things hurt the long-term profits and reputation of the company as well.