Habits are more powerful than self-control and discipline.
Imagine every time you make a conscious decision to do something you expend willpower points. You have a only a set number of willpower points a day.
Some things you like, some things you don't, and that depends how much they will cost. Choosing not to do something can also costs points, because it's a habit.
Habits are a way to reduce or discount this choice associated cost.
Now, I recently thought a lot about discipline, motivation, dreaming (for the future) and hope. And I think the problem with discipline is that, everyone has a different definition on it, and it also changes between context. Military discipline is not the same as daily discipline. Soldiers are plenty undisciplined in their daily lives.
When people talk about discipline they think "doing things that one doesn't want doing" but it's really not that simple. It all ties to hopefulness and dreaming for the future.
And s someone who's experienced this first hand due to a traumatic childhood: People who don't value themselves won't be disciplined for their own sakes, but they can be incredibly disciplined for the sake of others. So, there's a component of seeing value in what you do, or believe that there is value even if you don't see it.
So, like everything in life, discipline is multi faceted.
As an example, people talk about dopamine and motivation, but I've realised that it's probably closely tied to discipline too. You need to be motivated to be disciplined.
I've recently started becoming more "disciplined" by being incredibly intentional about trying to regulate my dopamine baseline throughout the day. I started doing it to feel less miserable throughout the day, but ended up being more disciplined as a side effect. And I've also realised that this has increased my daily "willpower" budget from earlier.
What the parent was trying to say is that you can form healthy habits even if you're not disciplined.
quick gist is when people say motivation to train or do anything there's really a specific process we go through that determines to what extent we stick with anything
1 inspiration
2 motivation
3 intention
4 discipline
5 habit
6 passion
sibling comment is correct here, discipline is necessary but only 1/6 of the framework.
It always remains circular. Doing X to compel you to do Y just shifts the problem from Y to X. There is no “bottom” that is guaranteed to work.
Sometimes you just need to get things out of your system. I feel much better after a good sob. The brain is not a perfectly designed machine, but a bug-ridden contraption that can do some amazing things. Of course, it would be much better to not feel the need to sob. But sobbing can be used to regain focus if you give yourself the freedom to let loose.
So, it should be okay for humans to let it out, too.
I have the discipline but I think the key is discipline + actually loving it, loving the thing that you are doing on average. Loving the process of discipline + loving the vision that you are working towards. I think that the passion and inspiration alone are not sufficient because there are always things you don't want to work on and you may really not feel like it sometimes, on the other hand, discipline for the sake of discipline without appreciation - having to push yourself... no. There must be both push and pull. If you don't feel any pull or if it's much weaker than the push then it most likely means that the sacrifice is not worth it or maybe you are doing way too much and not scheduling any time to appreciate the present moment.
Oh, yeah.
I do luvs my programming. I couldn't imagine doing this for something I hate.
I should add that have a completely finished product, actively being used by end-users is also a very good feeling.
I think that's the general theme of this. So long as a significant chunk of the work (i.e. 1/3) is genuinely enjoyable just for what it is, the other, more boring work is also more pleasant because: 1) - it feels like a part of the bigger picture that you like (i.e. whether you are doing something really boring or maybe earning money to buy yourself more time) and 2 - just conditioning, getting good emotions from one part of the work is partially transferred to the boring stuff and it needs to happen on an ongoing basis.
The fact that there are boring parts to it (which one can still learn to appreciate) provides the contrast and makes the highs much higher. However, there's also something I did not mention initially. I'm spending considerable time on appreciating the now, I would set aside 40 min every day to do Zen meditation and it really does help with the discipline / will power but perhaps most importantly - appreciating work that's boring - if I can get myself to enjoy sitting still or walking circles around the room, I can treat boring work not unlike extra Zen practice that sharpens me further. It does not have to be Zen practice but just ensuring that you are spending some time enjoying the now basically every day is critical when you you are often trying to make predictions about the future which is stress and anxiety inducing.
That sounds like an excellent practice (and it also requires discipline).
This thread has really made me realize what a disability ADHD is. I struggle to watch a movie from start to finish, even one I have been really looking forward to. I dream of being able to concentrate and work on what I want to do for an entire day. My ratio at the moment is about 1-2 hours of work in every 8 hour day.
Hitting the time on a regular day (not every day is like that) requires ongoing effort to sustain it. I spend 20 min / day doing time tracking and performance analysis (I think it makes more time than it costs). So for example if I want to hit 10h on a day which is purely dedicated to work, I wake up at 6, I end work at 8 and go to sleep at 9:30. That gives me 14h between 6 and 8, so it means that the combined time for the morning and midday routines must be under 4h. I don't stress about doing too little work on any given day, but I will always look at it the next day and consider what I could do better with the execution of the previous day . Then it mostly becomes a habit, I would just do it like a robot. Not every day is like that, but most are.
I don't know much about ADHD but perhaps you would find the following tips useful. You could look into Zen meditation - a good book with the how is 3 Pillars of Zen, feel free to discard the supernatural stuff and just focus on regular practice. One of the main benefits of Zen practice is increasing your attention span. It's extremely challenging to sustain focus on nothing and I still struggle with this despite doing it regularly for 5 years. It could be as simple as counting exhales and resetting the count every 10 breaths, expect to lose track fast but you get better at it with regular practice and this directly translates to your attention span when doing other things. Maybe you could also benefit from journaling - try to successively increase work blocks by a small amount every week or so and keep track of it. Other tips: avoid scrolling social media, get good sleep - you may need up to 8.5h of bed time / 8h of sleep, it's easy to be chronically sleep depleted without being aware about it and everything is much harder without good sleep, do quick breaks while working, i.e. 1 minute pause every 15 min just looking at the timer (not email!).
Sorry it took so long to respond. I browse HN on my breaks, and it's catch-as-catch-can.
I keep my eyes on the prize at the end. For me, it's all about having a finished product after all the agita.
There's also a lot of (in my case) interest in the Mission of the project. One project that I did, took ten years to really start coming into its own. During that time, I was pretty much left on my own, and even outright abused (by the end users, and also "gatekeepers," who wanted to control the project).
It all came out great, in the end. The project was taken over by a new team, and very little of my original code remains in the current version.
I'm happy about that. Most of what I wanted to do, was push the idea of the project (an infrastructure-level resource locator).
Break big problem into sequence of small and achievable goals. Getting small gratifications by completing small steps helps to maintain mental balance and avoid burn-out and dead-lock.