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Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by teddyh on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:13PM (#35427578)
> EDIT: looks like they have _not_ cleaned up their act whatsoever:

That link states that is is fixed now, though?

Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by crtasm on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:14PM (#35431394)
No response from contributors. OP there says:

> But after updating ... now it works, but I don't now why and I'm not sure why and if it will continue working properly. I cannot trust such a system.

Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by teddyh on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:13PM (#35432047)
That could be simply explained as being justification of their decision after the fact. OP may have already decided to stop using the software, so even when they were informed that the software was fixed, they couldn’t back down. It’s a perfectly normal reaction, but not necessarily a rational one. Therefore, we cannot assume it is reasonable to follow their example.
Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by crtasm on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:38PM (#35432987)
Where are you seeing they were informed it was fixed?

In any case, the relevant thing about that issue is two people reported running into a serious problem, months later it's still open with no information on what may have caused it.

Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by teddyh on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:26AM (#35440190)
> Where are you seeing they were informed it was fixed?

Nowhere. Where did I say they were?

Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by crtasm on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:39PM (#35443270)
Re-reading I see you were just suggesting a possibility.
Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by tiberious726 on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:26PM (#35431504)
A security issue like this happening even once in a production release is egregious. Their response in the first link was beyond pale. Horrible security issues happen, but that was not a remotely acceptable way to handle it in any project that's more than a toy.

Nearly the same issue happening again means they never bothered to set up testing for this and security just isn't something they pay any mind to.

Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by teddyh on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:09PM (#35432011)
> A security issue like this happening even once in a production release is egregious.

It happens to the best of software projects. If we write off using those, we may as well stop using computers.

> Horrible security issues happen, but that was not a remotely acceptable way to handle it in any project that's more than a toy.

We don’t know how they handled it. They may have handled the communication poorly, but regarding the security issue itself, we don’t know, because they didn’t tell us.

> Nearly the same issue happening again means they never bothered to set up testing for this and security just isn't something they pay any mind to.

You seem to be claiming that no software with any security features can have more than one security failure, ever.

Re:Nextcloud Desktop 3.8: End-to-End Encryption levels up wi... by tiberious726 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @07:08PM (#35447062)
Usually I'd agree with everything you're saying. Look at the actual issues and the discussion on the first GitHub thread.

> We don’t know how they handled it. They may have handled the communication poorly, but regarding the security issue itself, we don’t know, because they didn’t tell us.

And maybe the moon is actually perfectly spherical, as God intended, being a heavenly body and all and those craters we see are actually filled in with an invisible undetectable substance.

Sarcasm aside, notifying users of an issue in a timely manner is elementary to security. Trying to sweep it under the rug does not make inspire even the smallest sliver of confidence in how they'll handle their next issue.

> You seem to be claiming that no software with any security features can have more than one security failure, ever.

No, but I do expect that a project that lists security as it's primary advantage [1] to at least make an integration test to make sure that files in encrypted folders/sub-folders are, you know, actually encrypted. If _any_ project out there keeps having the same bugs, then no, I would not consider them to be serious people either.

[1] https://nextcloud.com/compare/