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Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by robg on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:06PM (#354173)
Now that that's finally over, back to code! :)
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jmtame on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:11PM (#354177)
All the better when coding and knowing the guy you voted for understands what network neutrality means.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by bapbap on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:35PM (#354194)
And that a bubble sort probably isn't the the most efficient way to sort one million 32-bit integers
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by mynameishere on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @12:20AM (#354225)
Yeah. That matters.

You're joking, but a lot of people actually voted for him for equally trivial reasons.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by snprbob86 on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @12:58AM (#354250)
When jokingly asked by Eric Schmidt, "How would you sort 1 million integers?", Obama actually answered "Well I'd bet that the bubble sort is not the correct approach."

Certainly, knowing the answer to that question, or knowing what a bubble sort even is, doesn't make or break a candidate. But all else being equal, wouldn't you rather a president who took at least one course on computer science?

Sure it is a little thing, but I found myself saying "all other things being equal" a lot about Obama. All those things added up: I voted for him.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Sam_Odio on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:48AM (#354301)
Your comment suggests that Obama's response conveys some knowledge of CS. Really, he just had more organized campaign staff.

Senator McCain was asked the same question six months earlier. The staff, realizing the question might be asked again, prepared Obama with an answer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/business/02digi.html?_r=2&...

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by krschultz on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:50AM (#354328)
Just look at the difference between Obama's and McCain's answer to the question "What would you change in sports" on Monday Night Football this week. Obama answers, a playoff system for college football for the top 8 teams. Do you think that is a coincidence when all of Pennsylvania wants Penn State to go to the BCS bowl and they are #3 right now? John McCain answers "elimate performance enhancing drugs".

COME ON. We all know Obama didn't come up with that answer but his on the ball staffers make him look good. And Just like a CEO has to delegate a lot of work, the president has to delegate nearly everything.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by electromagnetic on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @12:47PM (#354719)
Obama doesn't make a single bit of difference being the president. However, all the people he chooses for his staff makes all the difference. It's like running a store, you might have an amazing manager running the place but if you've got a guy working the till who can't push a button then all the managerial magic is useless.

Obama might be human gold with a soft diamondy center, but unless he actually has people who can do what needs to be done then it's useless. I think it's highly illustrated by the McCain campaign that he didn't have subordinates capable of doing the job right because he looked as warn out and tired as Bush does currently. McCain looked physically flabbergasted by what he was asked, he'd have looked better just holding up the frigging piece of paper his speech writers gave him.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Hexstream on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:09PM (#355052)
"It's like running a store, you might have an amazing manager running the place but if you've got a guy working the till who can't push a button then all the managerial magic is useless."

But won't the managerial magic prevent the guy that can't push a button from working at the till there or at least fire him quickly?

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by mattmaroon on Thursday November 06, 2008 @03:20AM (#355477)
Obama could easily have come up with that answer himself. Everyone hates the BCS, even a lot of the people who participate in it. I'm not going to say that would necessarily be the most common answer you'd get from sports fans, but it might be high up the list.

I would have been more impressed if he said the MLB instituting a hard salary cap rather than that silly luxury tax.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by snprbob86 on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:36AM (#354323)
The administration isn't just one man. The executive branch is a team of people. I didn't know that McCain was asked this same question six months earlier, but I'd still give Obama the point for surrounding himself with well organized campaign staff.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by namnori on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:37AM (#354568)
A manager is only as good as his staff.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jimbokun on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @11:41AM (#354652)
This makes me more impressed with Obama, not less. That's wonderful attention to detail, and reflects well on Obama to have assembled such a talented staff.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by mynameishere on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:07AM (#354259)
No, man. Listen:

Obama is smarter than McCain. He's smarter than Bush. He's smarter than me, if you can believe it.

But do I care if Obama can:

1) Fix my toilet?

2) Balance my books?

3) Remove my appendix?

4) Parge my lath?

5) Sort my integers?

No. All trivia.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by hugh on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @06:50AM (#354411)
Having had my appendix removed last week, I'm really glad I didn't have to rely on any politician to do it.

Unfortunately, making the government responsible for appendix-removal is one of the things which Obama wants to do. Comparing my experiences in US hospitals ("Oh hi, here's a bed and two nurses, your surgeon and his team will be along in ten minutes") to my experiences in Australian hospitals ("Oh hi, here's a wheelchair, please wait here for six hours") I really am not keen to see the US system become more like the Australian one.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by yummyfajitas on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @11:29AM (#354628)
I'd let Ron Paul remove my appendix.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by davidw on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:26PM (#355073)
Well, considering how much more you pay in the US, you would expect better service.

The trick would be to design a system where some minimum is guaranteed for everyone, and things are nicer for those willing to pay more.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jhancock on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:47AM (#354327)
Have you ever parged a lath? I can assure you sir, it is not trivial.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by rsheridan6 on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @07:45AM (#354450)
>He's smarter than me, if you can believe it.

INCONCEIVABLE!

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by wallflower on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:57AM (#354582)
Skimmed the YouTube video of his google talk to find when he answered the bubble sort question - it's at @23:16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yVlPqeZwo)

Did we expect him to answer like a prospective google hire? A modified quick sort thats guarded not to recurse too many levels deep to avoid any stack overflow errors? I'm impressed that he made an effort to connect at the techie-level.

I think the intent of the tech-savvy staffers who briefed him was like when a comedian makes a reference to the Yankees while performing in NYC

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ojbyrne on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:09AM (#354262)
While I'm happy with Obama, that sure seems like a publicity stunt. I've interviewed a lot of people for programming jobs, almost all of them can say "bubble sort is not the correct approach."
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jrockway on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:29AM (#354317)
I've interviewed a lot of people for programming jobs, almost all of them can say "bubble sort is not the correct approach."

Indeed, but have you asked that question of presidential candidates?

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Hexstream on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:07PM (#355044)
But isn't it like this with any president?
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by mixmax on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:14PM (#354181)
and intends to appoint a national CIO
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ojbyrne on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:17PM (#354184)
And overall supports intellectualism.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @12:58AM (#354249)
And unionism, protectionism, and high taxes.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I stumble into the wrong party?

Where's the party for people that support an open country with strong privacy rights and a dynamic business environment?

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ojbyrne on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:02AM (#354256)
You did, actually. But you have creationism trailing behind you. Like a big superhero cape.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:08AM (#354261)
What?
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ojbyrne on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:11AM (#354263)
Unions, higher taxes, whatever, just don't compare to Guantanamo, Rendition, and Creationism.

And its not entirely clear he'll fix those, but there's hope.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:21AM (#354274)
Obama voted for Bush's FISA bill. He voted for the PATRIOT Act II. He voted to continue the war. He chose as VP the guy who claimed to have written much of the PATRIOT Act to pass in 1995 after the Oklahoma City bombing.

I don't trust Obama on those issues at all, given his record. Bringing sanity to the war on terror isn't that important to him.

McCain also said he would close Guantanamo and end torture.

I'm sorry, but this party looks like a bunch of folks obsessing over a pretty politician who is moderately awful on the issues after 8 years of one who was completely awful on the issues, and not nearly as pretty.

And you should care about unionism. The 94% of Americans who aren't in unions are going to be fleeced by protectionist bills to pad the pockets of the powerful unions that support the Democratic Party.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by krschultz on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:52AM (#354330)
Well if you are going to call out Obama for those votes, don't quote McCain as opposing Guantanamo Bay when he voted FOR waterboarding.

I agree that for me, torture trumps unions. I don't like unions, but they are fading. Torture is just unacceptable.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @03:09AM (#354340)
The unions will not fade. Their biggest membership comes from federal government workers, whose numbers burgeoned under Bush and are bound to grow under Obama. Also, union firms like GM are getting $billions from the Federal Government to make up for the fact that they can't turn a profit on the market (the airlines did this, too). Tax money will keep them alive even if they are the dinosaurs of the marketplace.

When anti-China tariffs come down the line, you can thank the unions. Obama will not deny them. You can also nix the idea of school choice under an Obama administration, since the National Teacher's Union is a strong supporter of the Democratic Party. It's no wonder that Obama's plan for education is basically "more money! more money!". The unions couldn't have written a more favorable plan themselves.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by lliiffee on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @09:08AM (#354492)
I think you are wrong about schools. Obama repeatedly mentioned support of Charter schools (though not vouchers) in the debates. He specifically mentioned Michelle Rhee in DC as doing good work, which is highly encouraging to many of us who think Democrats have been on the wrong side of the education debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee

PS, I think you are right about "card check", which seems to me like one of the most important issues in this election which has gotten approximately zero public debate.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by davidw on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @07:23AM (#354431)
The unions have been fading, though. Under Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and onwards

I'd rather have weak, declining unions than strong anti-science conservatives like Ms. Palin running loose.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by thwarted on Thursday November 06, 2008 @04:36AM (#355518)
If only it was as black and white as you make it out to be: someone voted X on bill Y, they obviously feel X about Y. I shudder to think what it would be like if all the compromises I had to make every day were laid bare and presented in an absolute either-or form. Considering the complexity of bills and the amendments that are added and even the way they name them (PATRIOT is a prime example), I'm not so sure it's wise to interpret every single boolean vote as documenting someone's entire position on an issue.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by wensing on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:18AM (#354537)
'Fix' Creationism? How do you fix a belief? By keeping it out of schools?
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jhancock on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @03:21AM (#354346)
The right to create unions is a fundamental American protection. I realize in our lifetimes we have seen some unions become more of a problem then a benefit. This is what happens to most institutions as they become too big and "crufty". Sometimes you swing too far in one direction. The system corrects itself. But to trash one part of the constitution while savagely protecting another part is simply unacceptable. Its all or nothing.

And so far as protectionism goes. This is just another feeling that I am certain _most_ Americans will start swinging in the other direction on. The next year will see China<->U.S. sentiments on both sides growing very tense.

And high taxes? Get this straight: When the FED/Treasury "prints" money, that is a tax!!! And the last 8 years we've seen massive amounts this form of debt.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:15AM (#354379)
I have no problem with unions as such. However, I do have a problem when they use their concentrated political power to get themselves government favors at the expense of the rest of the country. Bailouts for failing industries and protectionist measures benefit unions while harming the nation as a whole. They expect the Democratic Party to sacrifice the interests of the nation for their benefit, and it looks like they will get their pound of flesh.

In addition, unions have many legal rights outside of a normal, voluntary gathering of people. In many states, they can force new employees of a company to join. Democrats are currently pushing for legislation to eliminate secret ballots for the formation of unions. When employee preferences are no longer secret, they can be coerced and threatened into supporting the union, which should enable Democrats to increase their union base. In addition, unions can force their employers to bargain with them by law, instead of by voluntary agreement by both parties. Federal law prohibits its agencies from paying contractors less than the union price, which is often high above the market price of similar services.

It is no coincidence that heavily unionized sectors of our economy tend to be failing, bloated, and stagnant. The big ones are undoubtedly a negative influence on American society. And they undoubtedly run the economic program of the Democratic Party; it surely isn't run by any coherent economic school of thought that I can recognize.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jhancock on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @07:04AM (#354416)
Your worlds are clear you do not like how political parties have abused unions. Fair enough. Political parties have abused lots of systems.

I'm not a Democrat. I have never been a member of any political party and hopefully never will. You do seem to have in for the Democrats though. Yes, they are in bed with Union officials and people that abuse the intents of a union. And yes, the Republicans are a bunch of rat bastards as well ;).

I really think that in lieu of the recent Wall Street bailouts and given who benefited, you should go "hawking" your "Democrats give too many handouts" somewhere else. Its falling on deaf ears. I have never heard either party provide a coherent economic plan. And that goes back to Reagonmics. They've have 20++ years to show that "trickle down" does anything but further stretch the socio-economic fabric.

I vote for my perceived integrity of the person. I don't much care whether they swing right or left, as long as they get stuff done and do so with integrity.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:25PM (#354763)
I don't see how "trickle down" has "stretched the socio-economic fabric". I don't want to live in a country with 70%+ top marginal tax rates. That borders on evil. I wouldn't want to live in a country that never had Reagonomics, and neither would a lot of business owners that currently employ our citizens.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jhancock on Thursday November 06, 2008 @03:15AM (#355475)
If you google "economic inequality" you will find many resources to educate on how U.S. style economics of the last 30 years have contributed in greater economic inequality, to which most believe is a major underlying factor of social problems.

As to your assertion that the rich live in 70% tax brackets, this is quite untrue. The 70% bracket is unfair but few Americans actually find themselves in this bracket. Those in this bracket are high-wage earners, mostly doctors and lawyers, that don't have much outlets for tax reduction. This group is unfairly punished at the moment and it would be wise to fix this problem.

If you as an entrepreneur find yourself even remotely close to a 70% tax bracket, I highly encourage you to post something to HN like "Ask HN: Please help me find a tax planner with two brain cells to rub together" ;).

There are lots of risks entrepreneurs take. But one reward is great opportunity to reduce tax both as you go and after a big payoff.

As to your feeling that you wouldn't want to live in a a country that never had Reaganomics...there are many great Americans (those that created what we have now) that lived before 1980 that do not share your feelings.

I'm not trying to be abusive. I'm writing this to provide additional perspective.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by redrobot5050 on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:21PM (#354760)
With regards to unions, the government refused to back the GM-Chrysler loans to build "fuel efficient cars".

With regards to Wall St., AIG has received almost $123 billion in government-backed loans. If anything, it seems like the non-union, free market insurance industry is failing, bloated, and stagnant.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Retric on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:28AM (#354551)
I Democrat's have the young and unions, Republicans have farmers, defense contractors, and old people. It's the same thing "Protect subset X of the population at the expense of everyone else" but I think unions are less damaging to the country for now.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Prrometheus on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:54PM (#354791)
Farmers and old people are pandered to by both parties. Remember, it is the Republican in this race that ran against farm subsidies, while the Democrat whole-heartedly supported them. Remember, too, that support for replacing Social Security with privately-owned retirement accounts is solely a Republican idea. Democrats answer to future deficits in the Social Security program is "tax the rich". That seems to be their answer to a lot of problems. I hope they have read up on their parables involving golden geese.

There is some truth to the old Republican saw that the Republican Party is a coalition of ideologies, while the Democratic Party is a coalition of interest groups. It just so happens that a particularly stupid and nasty ideology that most Republicans don't really like has been in the ascendancy since Bush brought it in by stealth. Hopefully, that will change.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Retric on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:24PM (#354831)
Republican's just added the prescription drug plan one of the largest expansions of the federal government in a while.

Farmers get help from both sides but if you look at who votes on specific bills there is significantly more support on the Republican side.

As to old people when they where talking about privatizing social security they where going to increase SS taxes to pay for their plan and not actually reduce spending.

PS: What I think is odd about Republican support is how their support of these groups is in opposition of their stated ideals of free trade (except for sugar) etc.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jobeirne on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:24AM (#354277)
The Libertarian party: we'll be waiting over there with the whack-jobs in the Green party until America's ready.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ksvs on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:30AM (#354284)
When America's ready for your policies, the major parties will steal them piecemeal.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by SwellJoe on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @01:46AM (#354298)
That would be lovely, thanks.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by wheels on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:27AM (#354384)
In Germany if you do an across the board left-shift there's an analogous party structure:

  - Social Democrats (Democrats)
  - Christian Democrats (Republicans)
  - Liberals (Libertarians)
  - Greens
(There's also an additional Marixst party.)

Here the Greens and the Liberals (note that "liberal" outside of the US implies classical liberalism) grew up a lot as being a part of main-stream politics. I really wish that were possible in the US because it forces the other points in the political spectrum to actually deal with reality and softens their rhetoric in a pragmatic, but effective way. German Greens nearly as crack-potted as American ones as a result.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by robg on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:18PM (#354185)
And as a cabinet member. A CTO sitting at the table with the Sec of Defense and Sec of State.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jackchristopher on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:01AM (#354526)
Eric Raymond has some great quotes in How To Become A Hacker that seem to go over a lot of heads.

"But a note of caution is in order here. The hacker community has some specific, primarily defensive political interests — two of them are defending free-speech rights and fending off "intellectual-property" power grabs that would make open source illegal...But beyond that, most hackers view attempts to systematize the hacker attitude into an explicit political program with suspicion; we've learned, the hard way, that these attempts are divisive and distracting. If someone tries to recruit you to march on your capitol in the name of the hacker attitude, they've missed the point. The right response is probably “Shut up and show them the code.”

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by pwoods on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:37AM (#354567)
Gotta give it to Eric R for his convictions. His wife must get tired of his stubbornness though. Geese.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by jbrun on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @09:20AM (#354504)
Yes, but now there is some hope that there will be an economy to buy/use/rent your code.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by edw519 on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @09:00AM (#354489)
Why did you stop coding in the first place?
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Anon84 on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:11PM (#354178)
Here, here!
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by Anon84 on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @10:29AM (#354553)
This was an REAL mistake. English is not my native language.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by johns on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:26PM (#354188)
Hear, hear!
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ph0rque on Tuesday November 04, 2008 @11:37PM (#354198)
hear here?
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by aaronblohowiak on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @12:10AM (#354215)
Please do not bring that reddit meme over to HN. Please.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by tlrobinson on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:25AM (#354382)
The moment the Hacker News audience starts accepting and up-voting pun threads is the moment I leave Hacker News.
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by ph0rque on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @12:18AM (#354221)
Did you happen to notice this whole thread is very redditlike?

In any case, I wasn't aware it was a reddit meme.

Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by johns on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @03:19AM (#354343)
Neither was I. Only been to reddit once
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by andreyf on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @02:32AM (#354318)
What you need is a meme detecting filter ;)
Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by josefresco on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @08:01AM (#354459)
What about a Fark meme detector?

Although I love Fark, sometimes I'm tempted to use the same jokes here and that's just wrong.

Save me from myself!