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Re:CNN/Fox Projection: Obama wins presidential election. by wheels on Wednesday November 05, 2008 @05:27AM (#354384)
In Germany if you do an across the board left-shift there's an analogous party structure:

  - Social Democrats (Democrats)
  - Christian Democrats (Republicans)
  - Liberals (Libertarians)
  - Greens
(There's also an additional Marixst party.)

Here the Greens and the Liberals (note that "liberal" outside of the US implies classical liberalism) grew up a lot as being a part of main-stream politics. I really wish that were possible in the US because it forces the other points in the political spectrum to actually deal with reality and softens their rhetoric in a pragmatic, but effective way. German Greens nearly as crack-potted as American ones as a result.

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