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Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by avar on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:26PM (#35396055)
The answer to this particular problem isn't public transportation.

There's places elsewhere in the developed world where there's no public transportation, and everyone uses a car for longer trips.

You can usually still cross the street safely as a pedestrian, and expect to reliably find a sidewalk next to the road.

US roads, intersections, parking spots etc. are also absurdly large by the standards of most other countries, it all adds up.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by klabb3 on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:41PM (#35396505)
> The answer to this particular problem isn't public transportation.

Public transport is not a self-goal, but it’s the best way by far to reduce the spatial requirements for transportation. In particular subways and commuter trains can move an absolutely insane amount of people for even the largest metropolitan areas, without obliterating the ability to walk.

Others include having motorcycles and bicycles for individual transport. That can work in small cities but usually impact walkability anyways. If you look at south east asia for instance, often lacking in good public transport, but having a lot of motorcycles in large cities making pedestrian movement hard.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by seer on Saturday April 01, 2023 @12:05AM (#35396999)
As someone who recently experienced hanoi traffic as both pedestrian and motorcyclist - I can attest that it can be scary, but after a certain learning period not that bad.

The big problem there was the lack of sidewalks for pedestrians so you kinda had to go into traffic even if you were just following the streets.

Crossing even the busiest boulevards was actually easy, if a bit nerve racking. The flow of scooters just parts around you as you cross, giving you the “I am Moses” feel - you only have to be visible and consistent with your movement.

Honestly they should just get rid of all the zebra crossings and pedestrian lights - those don’t work anyway, and just build lots of pedestrian islands everywhere and they would be golden, oh and ban cars.

The amount of people those scooters move throughout hanoi is just staggering - even if they are a bit slow, they make up for it being like an organic flow that doesn’t stop for anything as it can just ride around it.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by ntonozzi on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:48PM (#35396557)
Don't forget cars.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by xracy on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:09PM (#35396684)
Except that the answer to this is public transportation??

The problem is that people need a place to store their single-occupancy-vehicles. which means that each individual with a car takes up a permanent ~100 Sqft. They also need places to put that car. If you remove the parking lots, and the roads, admittedly, you'll create a more walkable city that means people don't need cars. But people will still want something for longer distances. And that something is public transit.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by seanmcdirmid on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:27PM (#35396809)
Private shared transport could also solve the parking problem a taxi doesn’t need to hang out and park in the dense area it drops off passengers, except maybe to on board other passengers. In China this works well enough, although the traffic is still atrocious.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by xracy on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:40PM (#35396876)
lol, you even admit your example doesn't work well enough to "fix" traffic.

Your private taxi cab is never going to compete with the people-moving capacity of a bus, or a train. A road with 100s of cars on it, is a demonstration of how many people are heading in a common direction. If you want them to move faster in that direction, find a denser form of transportation that doesn't take up the space of 100s of cars.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by seanmcdirmid on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:50PM (#35396919)
It solves parking, I never claimed it solved traffic. Please re-read my comment.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by xracy on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:54PM (#35396943)
Okay, I definitely misread this. :) That said, I suspect my misread is because...

Is parking an unsolved problem? I think in most cities it's a solved problem, and the consequence is traffic. But I would be curious of your take given that it's the question you asked. What is there to solve for parking?

edit: Also, Public Transportation, arguably, fixes both traffic and parking.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by seanmcdirmid on Saturday April 01, 2023 @12:00AM (#35396971)
If parking were the only problem, you could call it solved in places where taxis are cheap and ubiquitous, which might happen in the developed world with self driving cars.

But ya, if we could eliminate parking, we have some more space for some nice things, but having lived it, it doesn’t solve the main problem at all if private transportation is still viable.

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by xracy on Saturday April 01, 2023 @12:21AM (#35397102)
> but having lived it, it doesn't solve the main problem at all if private transportation is still viable.

I'm having trouble parsing that sentence, could you clarify?

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by seanmcdirmid on Saturday April 01, 2023 @01:24AM (#35397403)
It is possible for private personal transport to be viable without parking, and in that case, we can still run 80th the too many cars/not enough road problem.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by xracy on Saturday April 01, 2023 @02:54AM (#35397868)
ah, okay. My counter, if this only solves one of the problems (parking), why would we prefer that over public transit which solves 2 problems.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by seanmcdirmid on Saturday April 01, 2023 @10:25AM (#35400538)
Personal transport is convenient. I admit to changing my schedule to super early in the morning and leaving work at 3 just so I could take a taxi rather than deal with the subway due to Beijing’s harsh traffic jams. It wasn’t the right choice for society, but it was the right choice for me.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by xracy on Saturday April 01, 2023 @05:19PM (#35404174)
Good public transit is convenient. Ask anyone in any city with good public transit how they commute. Trains and buses that run all day consistently are even cheaper and more convenient to plan around.

"[A developed city isn't one where poor people take cars but where rich people take public transit.]"

Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by pharmakom on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:06AM (#35397932)
if we solve parking then we have more space for offices, shops, etc, which means more people travelling into the area, which means more traffic. only public transport and walking can properly scale up.
Re:Maps show how parking lots “eat” U.S. cities by dingaling on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:58AM (#35408921)
US intersections are also pedestrian-hostile with the "right turn through red light" rule. So even when it's indicated as safe to cross the pedestrian still has to account for potential moving traffic.