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Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by walrus01 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:32PM (#35381232)
Meanwhile, adjacent to presidents, Henry Kissinger remains both alive and not charged in any international criminal courts. I think he's literally 99 years old now.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by cool_dude85 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:34PM (#35381258)
Doesn't the US credibly threaten to invade the Hague should any international court there decide to pursue charges against an American citizen?

Best you could hope for is domestic charges or for Kissinger to make a visit to Viet Nam and get arrested there.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by walrus01 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:35PM (#35381274)
I don't think one NATO country can credibly threaten to invade another, so not really, no... But clearly the US did not sign up to the international criminal court / war crimes courts etc because they were worried about random US DoD personnel who killed civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan being hauled in front of the court. Somebody like Robert Bales for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandahar_massacre

As he has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole the US takes the position that they want to prosecute such things within their own system.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by pyuser583 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:20PM (#35382089)
Greece and Turkey have been credibly threatening each other for decades.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by chii on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:46PM (#35381350)
Which is really why this international criminal court has no real meaning - only the winner in a conflict gets to also win in the court.

For example, do you really think that by charging putin, that he'd really get arrested in participating countries? Or would the warrant be ignored?

And if putin does lose his war, and goes into exile, the ICC warrants would then be possible to enforce (now that no nukes is on the line). But putin knows this, so if the war goes badly, would it not make better sense to fight it out to the bitter end, rather than lose out to being arrested if he goes on exile?

The court that has no enforcement mechanism is mostly just political show boating.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by walrus01 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:48PM (#35381362)
There is the slim possibility that if the war goes very badly a small group of very senior Russian generals arrange to capture Putin, depose him, put themselves in place as some sort of junta, remove russian ground forces from Ukraine, and hand him over to the ICC to repair Russia's relationship with the rest of the world.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by ClumsyPilot on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:18PM (#35381625)
This is misunderstanding how Russia works - Russia is not a military dictatorship, it's a security services dictatorship.

The Military in Russia is a low-status organisation and it is not capable of doing anyrhing in internal politics. They commonly end up on the recieving end of racketeering by low-level gangs. Yes, people that drive tanks and fire missiles pay 'taxes' to bandits armed with pistols.

Putin was sending generals to their deaths without worry.

Various internal police forces have a higher chance of removing FSB from power than the military does. If thongs get bad enough, thats not impossible.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by pyuser583 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:19PM (#35382081)
Thank you for pointing this out! It makes sense, but I hadn’t made those connections.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by agapon on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:39AM (#35383902)
You can say approximately the same about the Stalin's USSR when Beria was the most feared man. But just after Stalin's death Beria was promptly executed and the military played the major role in that.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by vasac on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:05PM (#35381494)
Yeah, except the West isn't equal to the world and chances of Russian generals handing Putin to ICC are the same as US generals delivering Bush or Obama to the ICC.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by pyuser583 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:18PM (#35382075)
Sounds like Serbia.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by cge on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:59PM (#35381452)
You're thinking of the American Service-Members' Protection Act of 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

The Hague invasion aspect, and Hague Invasion Act nickname, are perhaps largely symbolic; the less symbolic effects are that it prohibits any part of government in the US from assisting the ICC except in limited circumstances, and bans ICC agents from doing any investigative work in the US.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by derefr on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:27PM (#35381693)
> bans ICC agents from doing any investigative work in the US.

Doesn't this make the US a safe haven for other countries' war criminals?

You'd think the rule would be that there will be no support for ICC agents investigating US citizens.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by cge on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:49PM (#35381866)
The US relationship with the ICC has been quite variable. The law was passed in 2002, though it does provide for specific exemptions for specifically-named foreigners. Likewise, in 2020, the US had executive orders outright freezing ICC officials' assets, sanctioning them with OFAC, and banning them and their family members from entering the US (these were removed in 2021). At other times, the US has been somewhat supportive, if not to the extent of modifying the law or recognizing the court.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by pyuser583 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:18PM (#35382068)
The US loves ICC, as long as it doesn’t apply to us.

Most of its prosecutions would be impossible without US help.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by bayesian_horse on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:20AM (#35387546)
Bullshit. The Netherlands are a NATO member.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by jimbob45 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:58PM (#35381437)
I think it’s rare for individuals in extreme-stress jobs like the SoS position he held to live much past 70. I have to guess that everyone who cared about charging him thought that it would be a waste of time, energy, and money based on his age for the last 30 years.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by anonymouskimmer on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:31PM (#35381726)
It's more than that or people wouldn't be charging 90+ year olds who were concentration camp prison guards in their teens and early 20s.
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by th17row on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:03AM (#35386508)
Yes, the "more to it than that" is that Kissinger is a kike
Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by norwalkbear on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:21PM (#35381650)
No shit, it's because Donald Trump is the Shiva of American politics. His second term would be death of American politics as we know it.

And Alvin Bragg's delivered his second term on a silver platter.

Re:Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump by pyuser583 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:13PM (#35382034)
He’s also politically active - supporting conservative organizations in various ways.