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Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by dredmorbius on Thursday March 30, 2023 @04:54PM (#35378698)
There are finned LED bulbs which can fit standard Edison Screw sockets, e.g.:

<https://www.designboom.com/technology/self-cooling-100-watt-...>

<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/c2/c5/b5c2c5d69fb240a571ba...>

It's also helpful to recognise that existing lighting fixtures and lamps were designed around the constraints of incandescent bulbs. The first generation of LED bulbs and lamps largely conform to these. As LEDs mature, both fixtures and lamps which address the limitations and requirements of the technology (transformers, perhaps dedicated 12v circuits, heat dissipation for the transformer rather than lighting elements themselves, and better light-temperature and intensity regulation) should emerge.

We're presently in the somewhat-messy half-emerged state. Think horseless carriages, wireless, and the days of dual gas/electric lighting and lamping systems (yes, these existed, and yes, the failure modes were ... much as you might imagine).

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by amluto on Thursday March 30, 2023 @05:10PM (#35378868)
I sure hope 12V doesn’t happen. 12V is absurdly low for lighting and needs extremely thick wires to get decent efficiency.

24V is okay. 48V would be nicer for indoor use.

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by brianwawok on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:01PM (#35379375)
Wiring up a house with 48V for lights and 120V for plugs would be such a pain. Pulling 2 different wires to every room. Weird circuit breakers. Yuck.
Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by robocat on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:43PM (#35379865)
Already happens in New Zealand: lighting is usually low current 1mm2 wiring, and everything else is heavier gauge. Circuit breakers mostly care about Amps (all breakers could be rated to mains voltage if you wanted to avoid “weird”).

Also low voltage wiring can legally be done by anyone in NZ (a bonus when doing your own work, and a pitfall when buying a house?)

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by garaetjjte on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:29AM (#35388602)
Do not use AC breakers for DC! (they lack arc extinguisher)
Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by Turskarama on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:48PM (#35379918)
A lot of countries already have lighting on a separate circuit. It means that when something trips a breaker you don't lose all your lights as well.
Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by dredmorbius on Friday March 31, 2023 @02:36AM (#35383469)
Lighting (on AC 110v / 220v circuits) also typically is specced for a lower peak amperage than utility or appliance outlets. For US codes, generally 15A rather than 20A. Lighting may use 20A, but isn't required to.

Other circuits must be 20A, e.g., kitchen outlets serving appliances.

A summary of standards here: <https://www.thespruce.com/common-electrical-codes-by-room-11...>

A 15A lighting circuit can serve up to 14 100W bulbs. Or 150 LEDs drawing 10W each....

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by doubleg72 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:20PM (#35380216)
Maybe for you, but I have been considering just this. I would love to have dedicated 24v for lighting and charging of devices. My house already has various systems for lighting, such as xenox throughout kitchen under the cabinets and also the basement. Both are driven from separate transformers. Then I got the rest of the house with can lights utilizing br30 bulbs that are just a waste of 12 awg. The one place I was able to replace with dedicated LED fixture, I had to overpay for a decent product that wouldve been better off as a 24v basic LED light. When you consider most hvac systems operate at 24v, there is some real potential to create a decent standard serving multiple purposes.

And besides, idk if you have ever pulled 12ga wire, but it's a pita. Idk any electrician that would agree with you saying it would be a pain to cut back on heavy wire and pull half that with light 22 awg.

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by hd95489 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:14PM (#35381094)
Why? Modern code requires a separate lighting power runs
Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by robocat on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:40PM (#35379830)
> needs extremely thick wires

Not extremely thick. Wire losses remain similar at 12V as they were at 110V (Replace 100W bulb with a 10W bulb at 12V, current remains ~1A so wire losses stay the same as the were). Wire losses might be say 1W for 1mm2 cabling.

Agree that it is worth upping voltage to chase a few more percent savings, but still need to consider other constraints.

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by dredmorbius on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:23PM (#35380249)
Fair enough. DC then.
Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by mark-r on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:16PM (#35381603)
Are there sockets for 24V or 48V bulbs that could be standardized on?
Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by cogman10 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @10:37PM (#35381774)
This is what I want. A standard 48VDC socket would be a game changer for lighting.

Heck, with such a standard you could have 120VAC -> 48VDC converters and you'd be in the same position we are today with Leads, only better because you'd just have to replace the converter and not the whole bulb.

Re:There's something off about LED bulbs by Smoosh on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:28AM (#35382562)
There are also these type of "ceramic substrate" bulbs which claim to give longer life. I suspect other compromises in the construction may negate that.

https://www.sansiled.com/blogs/learn/what-are-the-benefits-o...