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Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by wil421 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @05:38AM (#35370172)
How many of the 25% are what we would consider tricked out golf carts in the US?
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by ygra on Thursday March 30, 2023 @05:57AM (#35370298)
Well, that doesn't really matter, does it? Vehicles provide transportation from A to B for occupants and cargo. If a small vehicle suffices, then larger ones shouldn't be necessary. Of course, this is also a challenge for planning infrastructure in a way that large vehicles are not necessary in population centers (which should, by definition, be built for people, not large cars).
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by pjc50 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:16AM (#35370440)
The US has a very distorted view of what a "normal car" is by size.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by bdcravens on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:24AM (#35370507)
Many gas cars in China aren't much bigger.

Your average SUV in the US is what much of the world would consider a cargo truck.

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by shakow on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:28AM (#35370544)
And? As long it gets the job done, problem solved.

Using a 2.5tons F150 guzzling 12l/100km to buy grocery or commute should not be seen as the ultimate goal.

Just for fun: most sold cart in the US (F150) vs. most sold car in France (208) https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/peugeot-208-2019-5-...

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by tyingq on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:21AM (#35370967)
I would guess GP was talking about safety, not trying to promote oversized cars.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by CalRobert on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:49AM (#35371191)
To be fair, smaller cars are safer.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by sgent on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:27AM (#35371565)
Depends on what you mean by safer. If you are hitting an F-150 you will be safer in a F-150 yourself than a smartcar. If you are a pedestrian you would rather be hit by a smartcar.

Many of these Chinese vehicles have the safety features of a 1950's era vehicle, so without airbags, good construction techniques for absorbing force, etc. I imagine they would all get horrible safety ratings by Consumer Reports.

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by wil421 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:28AM (#35371583)
A lot of Chinese golf carts would not pass US or EU crash test standards.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by shakow on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:37AM (#35372493)
That's a fair point.

However, if energy scarcity pushes us globally toward a situation where we need more essential cars for slower, shorter routes, then it would make sense to downgrade a bit those tests, as the typical use would be closer to a Topolino driving 70km/h on a country road than an M8 dashing at 170km/h on the highway.

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by FuriouslyAdrift on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:56AM (#35371249)
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by shakow on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:55AM (#35371909)
It's still a huge heavy vehicle that is everything but aerodynamic. Having it as the average Joe's car is aberrant.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by Kon-Peki on Thursday March 30, 2023 @02:38PM (#35377149)
The electric F-150 is a niche vehicle and Ford is only pretending it is for the mass market. Their massive Tennessee factory, currently under construction, will be producing their mass market truck:

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023...

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by bryanlarsen on Thursday March 30, 2023 @03:42PM (#35377860)
It'll still weigh well over 2 tons, if not 3.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by wil421 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @08:30AM (#35371604)
You’re are wrong it is not the F150 it is that F series which includes all the work truck models like 250, 350, fleet vehicles etc.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by shakow on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:39AM (#35372518)
Technically you're right, practically #2 and #3 are the Ram and the Silverado, so it does not really change my argument.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by CJefferson on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:02AM (#35370809)
I’ve been in China recently, one of the most popular forms of transport is the electric scooter. They outnumber cars around me. Many people just don’t bother with cars.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by throwaway4good on Thursday March 30, 2023 @07:32AM (#35371065)
The list of top cars by model is quite interesting. Some of the Chinese cars are golf carts but most would decently sized and attractive by US standards.

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/01/plugin-electric-vehicle...

Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by SyzygistSix on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:02AM (#35373707)
We could use a lot more Kei cars in the US.
Re:Legacy auto faces unsellable car disaster in China as pol... by bryanlarsen on Thursday March 30, 2023 @03:44PM (#35377884)
The BYD seagull is an ~$8000 car that meets Euro safety specs.