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Re:The Undeniable Street View by dannyw on Sunday March 26, 2023 @06:58AM (#35313104)
All signs point to the downing of MH17 as an accident. That's not solid foundation for casus belli.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by wewxjfq on Sunday March 26, 2023 @07:35AM (#35313348)
They shot the plane down on purpose, they took smiling pictures amongst the wreckage, and they prevented the Dutch or anyone else from picking up the bodies.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by Hnrobert42 on Sunday March 26, 2023 @09:36AM (#35314298)
How do you know they did it on purpose? Taking smiling pictures with wreckage after the fact is horrific but not evidence of intent.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by kamranjon on Sunday March 26, 2023 @10:22AM (#35314737)
I just heard this story on NPR a couple weeks ago, it seems that there is unfortunately no conclusive evidence and likely will never be, but they do have strong evidence (intercepted audio recordings) suggesting that Putin was directly involved in supplying the BUK missile system to the separatists that shot down the plane.

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/08/1155401602/malaysian-airlines...

Re:The Undeniable Street View by orthoxerox on Sunday March 26, 2023 @11:34AM (#35315561)
They shot a plane down on purpose, not the plane. Then they went full CYA mode, as at that time Russian involvement in the conflict was all about barely plausible deniability. Coming out and saying, "yes, we have sent a Russian SAM into Ukraine to shoot down Ukrainian airplanes and accidentally shot down a civilian airliner" was technically an option, but Russia preferred to deny everything and flood the infospace with a hundred conflicting theories.
Re:The Undeniable Street View by newjersey on Sunday March 26, 2023 @07:29AM (#35313300)
I would have agreed with you had Russia accepted that it made a mistake. In the absence of something small as an acknowledgment and a formal apology (followed up by large monetary compensations for the victims’ families), it isn’t obvious to me how anytime can assume it was an accident.

The apology should have come immediately after the incident, without anyone asking for it.

It's not what happens to you, but how you react to it that matters. - Epictetus

Re:The Undeniable Street View by throwaway744678 on Sunday March 26, 2023 @08:00AM (#35313537)
It is very well possible that it happened through discrete diplomatic channels (and then someone forgot to post it on HN)
Re:The Undeniable Street View by haconBagrid on Sunday March 26, 2023 @10:39AM (#35314913)
And it should not be forgotten that Russia tried to blame Ukraine with stupid fakes.

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/mh17-seven-years-of-lying-and-denying...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/15/ukraine-fighte...