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Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by paxys on Saturday March 25, 2023 @09:10PM (#35309513)
If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire. I'd still not like to live in that world.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by barbazoo on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:16PM (#35310017)
Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives. They're taking away the power Facebook has over many people's lives so people might enjoy their lives in more social and healthy ways again.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by staunton on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:44PM (#35310220)
"any legislation restricting behavior actually frees people to do what they always wanted (the government knows best what that is) but just couldn't because of all these other possibilities misguiding them"
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by throwaway290 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:00PM (#35310343)
"there should be no laws against tobacco, alcohol, drug abuse, gambling because people can't possibly be misguided by powerful corporate interests for profit or otherwise"
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by staunton on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:06PM (#35310375)
That's not what I said. There is a balance to be found. I only objected to "this restriction actually makes everyone free (to do what I think they should)" being used as an argument. If enough people agree, sure, you can ban social media. The reasoning should be a cost benefit analysis though, not "my laws shall make you free".
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by throwaway290 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:09PM (#35310392)
Yes, balance is important. I guess if the law is passed then enough people agree...
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by MBCook on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:52PM (#35310287)
They’re also taking away the support some marginalized people may get from social networks (eg LGBT, uncommon religions for the area) that their local community doesn’t provide/discriminates against/their parents hate.

Social networks, for all their faults, are not pure evil. They can be beneficial for some people.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by throwaway290 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:03PM (#35310361)
Do you think one would have to be on a network with at least 5 million users to get this sort of support as opposed to a smaller one, perhaps specifically oriented towards this sort of stuff? The latter is as legal as before I think.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by MBCook on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:29PM (#35310521)
If you join the GaySupportForum, it’s really obvious why. That could be problematic or even dangerous for someone.

If you join Facebook, it doesn’t signal anything because everyone is on Facebook. Or Instagram. Or TikTok. Or any of the other called out platforms.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by throwaway290 on Sunday March 26, 2023 @04:50PM (#35319445)
I said "perhaps". Just join a social network with less than 5m users without "gay" in its name then. This attitude of trying to help a monopoly and pretend it's good just baffles me.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by vxNsr on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:16AM (#35311243)
And your argument is that you’re ok with the general harm these cause to most people for the marginal possible benefit for a very small minority.

Notwithstanding the fact that many so-called marginalized minorities are also terribly bullied online.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by MBCook on Sunday March 26, 2023 @10:45AM (#35314985)
I’m not trying to advocate either way, just pointing out it’s not as clear cut as some people in these comments act like it is.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by pavel_lishin on Sunday March 26, 2023 @09:36AM (#35314302)
> Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives.

Is this not exactly them telling people how to live their lives? "Live offline."

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by barbazoo on Sunday March 26, 2023 @03:28PM (#35318535)
Not offline, just not using social networks. Same way kids can drink juice, water and pop but not alcohol. Should kids be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke? Again, if I see this as a public health measure I think it makes sense.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by eru on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:49PM (#35310258)
> If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire.

That has never worked before. I don't think it'll work in the future.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by throwaway290 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:56PM (#35310309)
Are you referring to China or USSR by chance? Hardly utopias.

It's not about every aspect of life but a few key norms. I see this predatory social media like gambling if not worse, and gambling is regulated in most places