Yeah, don’t get into a traffic stop with any large amount of cash on you.

Total assets seized per year, including valid seizures, is under $3b [1].

Total retail theft alone is well over $60b [2]. Adding in other crimes like employee theft, fraud, property crimes, and so on puts total US cost from crime well into hundreds of billions.

So no, police don't steal more than traditional criminals.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/afp/reports-0

[2] https://www.rila.org/focus-areas/public-policy/study-retail-...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you picked the most biased sources possible. [1] is reported by the people doing the thieving. [2] wants to maximize sympathy from the public and payouts from insurance.

And it doesn't actually affect the point.

Present other evidence then. If your entire claim is wrong, and it's not even close, it affects the point. There's many, many sources for numbers just like these. I've found none even coming close to your statement. If you based it on some solid evidence, present it. If you just completely made it up, admit it.

When your world view is made of false claims and feelings and you ignore actual evidence, don't be surprised when people that do prefer evidence won't believe you.

$6B of thieving every year by people who are supposed to stop crime is plenty to call it. That's your own number. It should be zero billion. Six of them should be a national crisis.

You moved the goalposts.

Of course the number should be 0, but the context of this discussion _you_ created is:

> Police steal more than people usually thought of as criminals by way of asset forfeiture abuse, so it tracks.

Are you still arguing this point, or have you now moved onto a new one?

This isn't football. There are no goalposts. I acknowledged I was off, but asserted there is no okay amount of theft by cops. And if there were, $6B/year is well above it.

Stop moving the claims until you address the truth of the one we're on.

Also , you completely ignore that, as I pointed out, the $6b includes assets seized from real criminals. El Chapo alone has $12 billion listed for seizure and the feds incrementally get it. Every drug seizure you see in the news is in it. Alt coins seized from fraudulent companies is in it. This list goes on an on. At best a tiny fraction is seized from people never charged or convicted. The seizures from convicted criminals is massive. You can simply Google total drug seized value and put that in the pile.

If you are going to be intellectually dishonest at every turn, despite being handed reasonable, well cited evidence, and not provide a shred when asked, it is no wonder you believe and make up stuff.

I take it you have zero empirical evidence and simply pull this stuff out of thin air.

So, again, do you have any place you read your claim? Or did you simply make it up? Don't bother deflecting again. Simply answer the question.

So, again (and again): $1 is too much. I'm sure you agree there's at least $1 in abuse. So no, the actual figure doesn't actually matter. I do not trust the justice system on this sort of thing. I'm not deflecting or "moving claims," whatever that means. This is what I said from the start. The number was not actually important. The point, again, was actually the first two words of my original comment:

>> "Police steal"

Civil asset forfeiture is about $68 billion since 2000. How much of that is abuse? Well, fighting a claim costs money, money the police took. So we're left with the word of the people who took it plus the few people who could still afford to fight it, and the former will obviously want you to believe it's all 100% legit.

So we're back at:

>> "Police steal"

And any amount should be a big deal. The people who provide the force of the state's monopoly on violence should not be able to do a single thing wrong without it being investigated and handled fully and immediately. One dollar. One billion dollars. Doesn't matter.

>> "Police steal"

And any amount should be seen as a crisis worth the full and immediate attention of the people they're supposed to serve.

But since you'll ignore all that, here's your damn citation: https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/

But it doesn't matter. Because, again, any amount of theft by police is a crisis.