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Re:ChatGPT Plugins by ben_w on Thursday March 23, 2023 @02:31PM (#35279240)
Your mind is just an emergent property of your brain, which is just a bunch of cells, each of which is merely a bag of chemical reactions, all of which are just the inevitable consequence of the laws of quantum mechanics (because relatively is less than a rounding error at that scale), and that is nothing more than a linear partial differential equation.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by beepbooptheory on Thursday March 23, 2023 @03:56PM (#35280443)
People working in philosophy of mind have a rich dialogue about these issues, and its certainly something you can't just encapsulate in a few thoughts. But it seems like it would be worth your time to look into it. :)

Ill just say: the issue with this variant of reductivism is its enticingly easy to explain in one direction, but it tends to fall apart if you try to go the other way!

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by ben_w on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:12PM (#35280644)
I tried philosophy at A-level back in the UK; grade C in the first year, but no extra credit at all in the second so overall my grade averaged an E.

> the issue with this variant of reductivism is its enticingly easy to explain in one direction, but it tends to fall apart if you try to go the other way!

If by this you mean the hard problem of consciousness remains unexplained by any of the physical processes underlying it, and that it subjectively "feels like" Cartesian dualism with a separate spirit-substance even though absolutely all of the objective evidence points to reality being material substance monism, then I agree.

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by jamilton on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:04PM (#35280534)
I don't understand what you mean by "the other way".
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by bithive123 on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:16PM (#35280702)
If consciousness is a complicated form of minerals, might we equally say that minerals are a primitive form of consciousness?
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by ben_w on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:47PM (#35281051)
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by sfink on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:51PM (#35281092)
I dunno, LLMs feel a lot like a primitive form of consciousness to me.

Eliza feels like a primitive form of LLMs' consciousness.

A simple program that prints "Hey! How ya doin'?" feels like a primitive form of Eliza.

A pile of interconnected NAN gates, fed with electricity, feels like a primitive form of a program.

A single transistor feels like a primitive form of a NAN gate.

A pile of dirty sand feels like a primitive form of a transistor.

So... yeah, pretty much?

Re:ChatGPT Plugins by imtringued on Thursday March 23, 2023 @10:04PM (#35284146)
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by drowsspa on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:46PM (#35281038)
10 bucks says this human exceptionalism of consciousness being something more than physical will be proven wrong by construction in the very near future. Just like Earth as the center of the Universe, humans special among animals...
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by disgruntledphd2 on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:08PM (#35280595)
Odd, then that we can't just program it up from that level.
Re:ChatGPT Plugins by ben_w on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:41PM (#35280983)
We simulate each of those things from the level below. Artificial neural networks are made from toy models of the behaviours of neurons, cells have been simulated at the level of molecules[0], molecules e.g. protein folding likewise at the level of quantum mechanics.

But each level pushes the limits of what is computationally tractable even for the relatively low complexity cases, so we're not doing a full Schrödinger equation simulation of a cell, let alone a brain.

[0] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367221613_Molecular...