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Re:Cheating Is All You Need by eightysixfour on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:29AM (#35276347)
I think this comment may miss the computer forest for the computer science trees. For a large portion of the world, computers aren’t engineering or math, computers are a tool to get something else done.

For those people, unless something fit within an existing (but large!) range of use cases, they were out of luck without having an engineer or mathematician figure it out for them. Suddenly, there is a glimmer on the horizon that all of that possibility the computer science people see every day could be unlocked for the users, and even if it only works 5% of the time, that is enough to get them excited in ways that are hard to describe to the computer science people.

Re:Cheating Is All You Need by waboremo on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:38AM (#35276474)
This is a fantastic point, and it's what most software businesses have at their core. They just provide the tools to get something else done. A lot of these smaller places are going to be devastated when people become far more self reliant (or I should say reliant on the AI providers) than them.
Re:Cheating Is All You Need by bee_rider on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:42AM (#35276546)
A “tool to get things done” doesn’t seem to contradict the math or engineering point of view. Which is to say, a screwdriver is an engineered device that is also a tool (it also has a mathematical description I guess, just, a fairly boring one from a pure math point of view I guess).
Re:Cheating Is All You Need by eightysixfour on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:24PM (#35277188)
Sure, but the relationship is different.

Imagine going to school, a boot camp, or being self taught in everything about screwdrivers and screws. You can discuss at length the advantages and disadvantages of different shapes (Robertson bits > all), materials, screw threads, etc. You can custom design a screwdriver and screw for a specific application, taking into account all of the relevant constraints.

Now imagine the guy who needs to tighten a loose cabinet door.

Their relationships with the tools are entirely different. Screwdrivers don’t have nearly the complexity or ability to generate work leverage that computers do, moving even a few percent of those capabilities from the first group to the second is huge. It is, at minimum, Excel huge.

Re:Cheating Is All You Need by Vespasian on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:42PM (#35277458)
That's a great analogy which I will steal.
Re:Cheating Is All You Need by dwighttk on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:44AM (#35276570)
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Re:Cheating Is All You Need by qsort on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:55AM (#35276715)
My analysis is limited to tech people.

For the rest of the world, while some might be excited by what you describe (and it that works for them, that's great!), I believe in general the interpretation is far simpler: me like shiny.

Re:Cheating Is All You Need by eightysixfour on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:17PM (#35277097)
This is some very CS high-horse thinking. I work with people who are already using it in ways that meaningfully improve their existing workflows. It isn’t doing anything special to someone who makes a living on computers, but it is doing things they couldn’t do without those people.
Re:Cheating Is All You Need by aiphex on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:28PM (#35284733)
Genuine question, are you seeing non-coders using it to do any useful coding? As a developer, I find that it is wrong more often than it is right and were it not for my domain knowledge, I would have no idea why (or sometimes when.)
Re:Cheating Is All You Need by Yajirobe on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:31PM (#35277296)
/r/iamverysmart
Re:Cheating Is All You Need by rfwhyte on Thursday March 23, 2023 @06:39PM (#35282422)
This nails it on the head pretty much for me. I'm personally hugely interested in the potential of LLMs to enable me, a non coder, to create programs that might only have marginal utility to others, so are likely not going to get built by anyone who actually knows how to do this stuff, and aren't exactly important enough for me to actually learn how to code (I don't really have the right type of brain for it anyway) but are interesting / useful enough to me to figure out how to get LLMs to make them for me, as I don't really care how they work as long as they do.