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Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by VWWHFSfQ on Thursday March 23, 2023 @09:32AM (#35274508)
Yeah pretty much just because it's Chinese. China doesn't allow American internet companies access to their market either though.
Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by yorwba on Thursday March 23, 2023 @09:48AM (#35274742)
Microsoft's Bing is allowed, because they apply the same censorship as local companies. That's a barrier to entry into the market (need to hire lots of censors) but not a competitive disadvantage (because everyone else also needs to hire lots of censors).

American politicians who want to copy Chinese policies to retaliate for unfair treatment of American companies would be retaliating against American citizens for unfairly having First Amendment rights when Chinese citizens don't.

Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by mannerheim on Thursday March 23, 2023 @11:14AM (#35276114)
I doubt American citizens would be banned from accessing TikTok. It would just be banned from app stores and CDNs, presumably if they sideload or visit the website they will be able to access it.
Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by mad0 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:55AM (#35301107)
I think this would effectively drop the usage (maybe not to 0 but enough to allow other social services to come back on the stage). Most people don't know how to sideload or don't want to sideload anything out of app store, the webpage version is unwieldy to use.
Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by cscurmudgeon on Thursday March 23, 2023 @10:06PM (#35284154)
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch...

> Google said the cyber attack originated from China and that its intellectual property was stolen, but that evidence suggested a primary goal was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

How many Chinese human rights activists use or used Hotmail?

Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by rfoo on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:51AM (#35290750)
Quite a lot in the old days. Microsoft is a well-known brand in China. Grandma and grandpas are repeating stories of Bill Gates during 00s, they don't know who tf Sergey is. There are very minimal Mac users, so computer = PC = Windows + Office = Microsoft.
Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by cscurmudgeon on Friday March 24, 2023 @12:13PM (#35291203)
That doesn't mean tech-savvy human rights activists used Microsoft's HotMail over Gmail.
Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by rfoo on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:00AM (#35300811)
Human rights activists are not tech-savvy.
Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by ramblenode on Thursday March 23, 2023 @06:23PM (#35282203)
> China doesn't allow American internet companies access to their market either though.

Google and Facebook both used to operate in China. The government of China told them to start censoring certain content. US lawmakers did not like this and warned the companies not to comply with Chinese rules. So the companies left China to keep the US side happy.

So to be clear, there was active pressure from the highest levels of US government for American companies not to build products in China that could be used for censorship.

The revisionist history is wild.

Re:TikTok Congress Hearing by cscurmudgeon on Thursday March 23, 2023 @10:01PM (#35284123)
Why did you leave out the cyberattacks on Google against CCP's opponents?

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/12/google-ch...

See this is one of the advantages of having an open society. Google is not censored in the US and we can look up the history of Google being forced out of China.

> Google said the cyber attack originated from China and that its intellectual property was stolen, but that evidence suggested a primary goal was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.