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Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by DethNinja on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:44PM (#35255074)
Those fake AI voices are perfect tools for phishing campaigns.

I wonder if ChatGPT combined with a voice generator can mount successful phishing campaigns.

It looks like Cyberpunk future we never asked is already here.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by ethicalsmacker on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:16PM (#35255375)
"Hey mom, it's X. Sorry to leave this voice mail, I got in a bit of a car accident and lost my phone. I need to get back home, could you send $$$$ to ####?"
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by wilsonnb3 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @10:10PM (#35255856)
Just have to establish real life security questions.

They did this in one of the Harry Potter books (the sixth one?) since it is easy for them to impersonate other people.

If you can’t tell me my favorite flavor of jam then you aren’t getting my money.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by tjfl on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @10:50PM (#35256188)
What is your favorite flavor of jam?
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by th13row on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:26PM (#35256434)
This wouldn't work for me. I always pretend to like something and then change my mind the next day to piss people off. Maybe just a call to ensure it's legit. Vocal deepfakes will never mimic voices and ways of talking in real time, it will always sound "off". It doesn't make it any less dystopian, though.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by ethicalsmacker on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:33AM (#35256870)
Are you my wife?
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by ccvannorman on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:35PM (#35256494)
"Your foster parents are dead"
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by pixl97 on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:04AM (#35256686)
Eh, if they hack any adtech provider they may be able glean that you like loganberry.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by 13of40 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:55PM (#35255183)
I'm sure it's going to get exponentially better, but right now ChatGPT sounds like one very vanilla guy. The other day I asked it to write me a conversation between David Foster Wallace and Ernest Hemingway, and it came out something like (paraphrasing):

HEMINGWAY: I notice you write about political issues and philosophy.

WALLACE: Thank you, I noticed you write about raw experience and manliness.

HEMINGWAY: Well, whatever our differences I feel like we can get along and work together. We will soon be fast friends.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by chatmasta on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:15PM (#35255360)
I tried to get it to intentionally respond with grammatically incorrect sentences and it had a lot of trouble. I basically couldn't get it to work.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by Nition on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:17PM (#35255382)
Has ChatGPT actually read any books (apart from snippets on the Internet), or has that been avoided for copyright reasons?

I wonder how long until someone pirates every ebook on Z-Library or SciHub and trains a language model off that. Imagine a language model that's read every book and every scientific paper.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by techdragon on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:20PM (#35256401)
I wonder if that would even generate good outcomes given how much of the data in some disciplines is conflicting, and if you don’t have a good way to get it to ignore bad subsets of that data it could be more likely to hallucinate convincing scientific sounding explanations based on a preponderance of bad poorly researched evidence.

There’s a lot of papers that discredit older papers or work or entire subfields of study and the current large language models would just all all of it and go “these are words” with no analytical reasoning applied.

These are predictive mechanisms not analytical ones and until we get a better handle on how we can make them “stop and think”… I’m just not sure how much benefit each larger dataset will add beyond “sounds more human” while it’s core problems of “still hallucinates” and “can’t do basic reasoning” remain.

Also one question I’ve got on this front is how much duplicate data is processed out of the input sets? Using LibGen as an example there’s a lot of books that get reprinted and uploaded multiple times in different formats… does having these remain in the data provide a “valuable bias” or is it something that needs removing? Do the people building large language models pre-process their data to de-duplicate out these kinds of things from their current data sources?

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by bradleyjg on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:18PM (#35255393)
I asked it to make a certain stand up bit in the style of various comedians. The Seinfeld one was reasonably good but the Chris Rock one was off because it wouldn’t curse.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by stubish on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:16PM (#35255376)
You can already fool real world voice authentication systems. No need to phish for credentials when the voice is the credential: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/16/voice-sys...
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by svachalek on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:59PM (#35255217)
It's kind of amazing we're not seeing more of this already. It's a trivial application of the tech. We've already achieved a culture where the more batty something is the more likely people are to believe it, and now we have an infinite, personalized quackery generator.

Without a massive cultural revolution putting the brakes on this, which I can't imagine coming from anywhere, I fear we're barreling into a future where nothing is true anymore, a hall of mirrors where the capacity to fake anything at all far surpasses anyone's ability to make sense of it.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by hosh on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:20PM (#35255417)
MacLuhan and others have already talked about this, from way back in the radio and TV generation.

I don't say this to mean, "oh, and they were wrong because everything turned out OK" If anything, we have had generations that grew up with this dysfunction in a normalized way, and it took another advanced in tech to really see it again.

(To take it further back into history, I think I now get what Cervantes was trying to say with the image of Don Quxiote tilting at windmills. It seemed so absurd, amusing, and quaint when I read it as a teen).

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by pixl97 on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:08AM (#35256723)
If anything TV and radio presented a larger shared reality, even if it was one filled with falsehoods. What is culture but a shared set of values?

What we are growing now is a system that can give each and every one of us our own reality, and if it succeeds, what of society?

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by hosh on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:45AM (#35258777)
There are some fascinating areas to explore those questions from the perspective of shamans, mystics, and yogis.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:16PM (#35255373)
We can just make the AI phishing bots talk to a Lenny 2.0 trained to tie them up in endless conversations. AI interacting with AI will be the next economic boom fomenting a wave of new wealth creation.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by mmcwilliams on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:04PM (#35255274)
Would it really be wise to run a criminal operation while piping all your requests through Microsoft servers, considering the history of the company collaborating with law enforcement?
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by DethNinja on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:16PM (#35256382)
It is trivial to get access to some else’s router & credit cards in 2023.

Years and years of bad software practices, corporate cost cutting measures resulted in a planet scale cybersecurity mess.

Current hacking scene is more similar to 80s than early 2000s, it is extremely hard to catch advanced actors.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by anaganisk on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:02PM (#35255252)
TikTok lady AI voice starts talking, hangs up phone
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by Teever on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:49PM (#35255127)
Imagine an AI voice of Trump that phones lonely old people to thank them for coming to his rally. After 20 minutes of small talk he asks them to donate to his campaign via bitcoin...
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by shakna on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:56PM (#35255192)
Even simpler. Have the voice give them a short onboarding call, but then have it regularly call them again using reverse charging, and then chat with them. Convince them that they've formed a friendship.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by smitty1e on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:53PM (#35255157)
Lonely old people sophisticated enough to do bitcoin?

Color me skeptical.

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by smithcoin on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:24PM (#35255450)
They get conned into sending money from Bitcoin ATMs[0]

[0] https://www.atmmarketplace.com/news/elderly-michigan-couple-...

Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by hotpotamus on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:24PM (#35255454)
I'd imagine an AI could quite patiently walk them through how to set it up and link their bank accounts. Honestly, it could be really helpful for tech support.
Re:It’s Game over on Vocal Deepfakes by andreareina on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:49PM (#35255669)
I know at least a couple. Doesn't take much sophistication with all the hype the last few years and different apps making it easy. It's essentially as easy as using any other mobile payment tech e.g. mpesa or alipay