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Re:UBS Got Credit Suisse for Almost Nothing by cronix on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:09PM (#35239493)
US: Hey Germany, you shouldn't be so reliant on Russian NG/Oil (buy ours instead)

Germany: We're ok, thank you for your concern

Russia: cuts back NG/Oil going through pipelines to Germany

US: Let's just make that permanent. Germany doesn't know what's good for itself. Boom. Hey Germany, now that you can't get it from Russia, would you like to buy some of ours? We've been telling you, ahem, warning you, for years, friend.

Re:UBS Got Credit Suisse for Almost Nothing by lazide on Monday March 20, 2023 @07:20PM (#35240276)
Everything in international politics (and many other things) is about leverage, power, etc.

Allies are just those with interests that align closely enough that destroying each other would hurt everyone more than it’s worth. Doesn’t stop the manipulation.

Re:UBS Got Credit Suisse for Almost Nothing by dralley on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:01PM (#35240675)
US, UK, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia:

Germany, you shouldn't be so reliant on Russian gas/oil while they are actively invading their neighbors, shooting down airliners, blowing up ammunition depots and using nerve agents on NATO territory.

Germany, France: ...

Re:UBS Got Credit Suisse for Almost Nothing by vkou on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:08PM (#35241251)
"You're making the wrong decision, so we're going to 'help' by make the decision for you" is how you treat subjects and vassals, not peer nations and allies. Don't spin it like it was a favour.

Imagine the reaction if, say, the Saudis, or China blew up the Keystone pipeline... Because the US is making the wrong decision of being reliant on the wrong source of foreign oil.

Regardless of the merits of their argument, it's not their pipeline, it's not their call to make.

Re:UBS Got Credit Suisse for Almost Nothing by def_true_false on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @10:07PM (#35255835)
1. Why are you taking Russian disinfo at face value?

2. Others were affected by the construction of the pipeline, yet their concerns were brushed aside with nothing better than hand waving and a load of Wandel durch Handel rubbish. To be honest, I'm not sure why anyone east of Germany should care one bit about what German anti-NATO boomers think. To make it crystal clear, national security of Eastern European allies is not something for Germany to trade away -- it never was. We will have our security, if it comes to that, at the cost of German jobs. Not that Germany needs much help with that, what with the genius level planning that went into the Energiewende and all that.

As far as I can tell this opinion is not uncommon, outside of the German speaking bubble.

Re:UBS Got Credit Suisse for Almost Nothing by cudgy on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:04AM (#35258912)
Also in this discourse:

Germany: Hey, Russia, supplier of our energy, screw you for feeling threatened by NATO countries (like us) and US interfering with a huge neighboring country. Hope your not offended by the Leopard tanks and artillery we just sent to kill your soldiers.

Russia: cuts back NG/Oil going through pipelines to Germany