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Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by justsocrateasin on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:35AM (#35233120)
I've found that there are two approaches - shotgun and sniper.

Shotgun approach - figure out what software speciality and industry you want (for me, it's Data Engineering in Biotech/anything life sciences), and apply to every single job that you seem fit for. I applied to 20, heard back from 2-3.

Sniper approach - if you find a job that you actually really want, work your network as hard as you can. Find a friend who is connected with the company, ask them to make an introduction. Find random people at the company, LinkedIn message the hiring manager, do anything you can to get an interview. Once you get an interview, you have a chance, but the hard part is getting the interview.

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by bluedino on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:38AM (#35233190)
I've used the sniper approach.

Where have you been? We've been trying FOREVER to find a good person for this role. You should have been working here years ago!

"I applied like 6 times. Nobody ever called me back."

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by smallerfish on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:04PM (#35234768)
Job posting: "If you aren't an exact fit on paper, please apply anyway".

ATS system: "Candidate does not have staff software enginer for 5 years of job titles + doesn't have 'SQL' and 'HTML' listed in their skills section" = /dev/null

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by bluefirebrand on Monday March 20, 2023 @02:31PM (#35236354)
Hiring Manager: I can train the skills if the person is right and has a solid foundation

HR recruiter: I don't want to actually have to look through all of these resumes to find "close" matches.

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by feoren on Monday March 20, 2023 @05:10PM (#35238780)
Hiring Manager: Okay, fine, then just forward me all the resumes you get, and I'll look through them!

HR recruiter: No

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by JohnFen on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:44AM (#35233279)
I do both.

I estimate how long I am willing to go without a job. for the first half of that time, I'm a sniper, applying for dream jobs. If I haven't landed one by the time the second half begins, I start going shotgun.

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by mattnewton on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:50AM (#35233364)
Interesting, I always start the shotgun well before I expect dream offers to pan out. I feel that I negotiate and interview best when I have a been interviewing and have offers in hand.
Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by devstein on Monday March 20, 2023 @12:41PM (#35234330)
I agree. I think it's common for people to start with the shotgun approach to build confidence interviewing then start sniping a few dream roles as they start to get further along with the shotgun companies
Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by busterarm on Monday March 20, 2023 @12:35PM (#35234191)
While I do concur with you about negotiating and interviewing best, I like to save shotgun for last because often the interview process from all of those companies slows me down a lot. Especially the companies that give you projects to do :/

While it stinks to feel like you've done worse going for jobs that you really care about, it helps to remind yourself that all companies have communication/social problems that will impede your work. No company is really all that special.

Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by pg_1234 on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @06:02AM (#35244309)
I've only ever landed jobs worth having via the sniper strategy. However, with the ease of passively employing the shotgun approach using a good Linkedin profile, it's definitely worth doing that if only to benchmark the job market a bit.
Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by the_only_law on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:00PM (#35234709)
At this point I’m stuck with the machine gun approach: “spray and pray”.
Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by 0x0000000 on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:07PM (#35234819)
Fishing with nets vs spears, same idea. Both can be useful depending on your circumstances and goals.
Re:That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost by 908B64B197 on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:09PM (#35234847)
There's a third: the net.

Always send a polite response to recruiters (but scripted). Asking for more info about the job, and concrete comp numbers. Serious recruiters won't hesitate to give it out (keep in mind they get a portion of it!). Body shops won't share that info but at this point it's ok to ignore them.