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Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by giantg2 on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:27AM (#35231185)
You might be thinking suburban.

In many rural areas, you have kids as young as 10 hunting (supervised, or supposed to be), fishing, riding their bike places, exploring or "hanging out" in the woods, building things, working with power tools, etc.

Really, location foent matter that much. It's the parenting style and what constraints the local culture places on them.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by thwayunion on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:34AM (#35231269)
No. I'm thinking of rural areas. I know the difference... weird for you to assume I don't, honestly.

> hunting supervised

So not independent. At all.

> fishing, riding their bike places, exploring or "hanging out" in the woods, building things, working with power tools, etc.

For a ten year old, all of those things can be done in a city FAR, FAR easier in a city than in a rural area. Even exploring the woods, in many cities, can be done by a ten year old with a commuter rail train pass and a bike.

The crucial question when you are in a rural area is: with who?

> riding their bike places

You have to be intentional for this to be possible in rural areas. Not even "safe", just literally possible.

Again, it's totally possible. But if you are not intentional, your kids will not, by default, be able to bike to their friend's place or a common middle ground. If they have to bike ten miles to meet up with a friend, they're going to end up connected to a car and spending most of their time online.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by giantg2 on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:39AM (#35231327)
"So not independent. At all."

Go back and re-read. Not everyone follows the rules.

"But with who?"

Friends within a couple miles, siblings, etc.

"You have to be intentional for this to be possible in rural areas. Not even "safe", just literally possible."

Yes, tell me my life experiences. Now stop trolling. It is literally possible and people do bike and walk places miles away. Don't believe me? Go look at the Amish.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by thwayunion on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:40AM (#35231349)
> Friends within a couple miles

Which may or may not exist. Again, you have to be more intentional.

I am not trolling you. I am giving the parent reasonable advice. Calm down.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by giantg2 on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:16AM (#35231816)
Always been by default for me.
Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by uberman on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:37AM (#35232121)
For a ten year old, all of those things can be done in a city FAR, FAR easier in a city than in a rural area. Even exploring the woods, in many cities, can be done by a ten year old with a commuter rail train pass and a bike.

Parents in cities have been arrested for letting their 10 year old kids play in the public manicured park unsupervised. Google "Free Range Parenting" as a city thing.

There is no way to compare the independence and freedom to play and roam of a country kid with a city kid.

We moved to the country precisely because we felt is would have been ludicrously dangerous to let our 8 year old wander the streets of Philadelphia unsupervised. There was no chance in hell we would allow her to hop on an Amtrek to go hunting for frogs in some creek.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by thwayunion on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:51AM (#35233402)
> Parents in cities have been arrested for letting their 10 year old kids play in the public manicured park unsupervised. Google "Free Range Parenting" as a city thing.

Okay. I googled it. I'm seeing articles about parents being arrested for this sort of thing in places like Blairsville, Georgia (pop. 526) and Killingly, Connecticut. Not exactly massive cities...

If cities arrested kids for waling or biking or being on the subway alone, no one would be able to make it to school in the morning.

Re:Ask HN: Has anyone here left the big city in pursue of a ... by uberman on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:44PM (#35235516)
That surprises me because the poster case for free range parenting arrests is a family from Silver Springs MD, about 2 miles north of Washington DC. The second most notorious example being from Wilmette Illinois about 15 north of downtown Chicago and both well inside the accepted definitions of their respective metros. The third most infamous case is a mother from NYC. I guess your browser must be tuned into small town crime.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/living/feat-maryland-free-ran...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/09/05/mom...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/16/...

Here is a counter arguments against your school point:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/single-dad-barred-from-sending...