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Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by realjhol on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:23AM (#35230489)
I had to leave an instance because the maintainer said pro-life views were forbidden. Didn't matter whether you expressed them or not - the owner had a policy against private opinions.

I agree with your point about freedom of association, but let's not pretend this is just limited to racism.

And if you support the concept of free association, what do you do when it collides with civil rights law?

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by nicoburns on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:37AM (#35230620)
The great thing about Mastadon is that you're not actually excluded by being banned from a particular instance, you can go and join an instance that is aligned with your worldview (and as I understand it, still interact with people from other instances).
Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by konart on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:13AM (#35231782)
What do I do if instance A (this is where the person I follow) decides to ban instance B (my instance of choice)?

What if this happens more than once? Should I reregister every month and refollow the same people again and again?

What if I set up my own server and people will decide that some of my toots are not "left" or "progressive" enough?

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by eclipxe on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:48AM (#35232299)
Well that’s society working as designed I think.
Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by konart on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:52AM (#35232367)
Really? wow, okay. Thank god I'm not part of this society.
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Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by realjhol on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:09AM (#35230947)
> How very sad for you. Someone running a private server doesn't want you coming into their living room and taking a dump on the floor, metaphorically speaking. I'm sure if you look around you can find an instance where sexist views are tolerated, and even encouraged.

I'm not a sexist. I love women which is why I don't want them to be killed in the womb.

I didn't do anything in his living room. He said "we don't serve your kind here", so I left.

OK if that's the rules - fine, but don't then complain about your friends being refused service. We either have freedom of association or we don't.

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by LBJsPNS on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:44AM (#35232235)
I don't associate with neo-nazis, neo-confederates, racists, sexists, insurrectionists, kiddy diddlers, and the like. So I haven't had that problem with being refused service. Tell me, is it a problem for you? I can't possibly imagine why.
Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by krapp on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:54AM (#35230777)
>I had to leave an instance because the maintainer said pro-life views were forbidden. Didn't matter whether you expressed them or not - the owner had a policy against private opinions.

Reading your own comment history here, I see you self-identify as a "honkler", which is an explicitly neo-nazi, anti-woke political identity. It's not surprising you wouldn't get along on a pro-choice instance, or even be able to refrain from trolling it. I can imagine plenty of private opinions others have that you likely object to, and that you just as likely wouldn't tolerate on your own instance if you had one - which you're free to make, as well as find a community more tolerant to your beliefs.

And that's fine. Freedom of speech means you can have yours and I can have mine, and that good fences make good neighbors.

>And if you support the concept of free association, what do you do when it collides with civil rights law?

If this has to do with a baker and a cake I'm going to be very disappointed. Your lot really needs to find new material.

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by realjhol on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:14AM (#35230999)
I'm not a neo-nazi. Or I wasn't when I was doing freaky things with my wife, who is black last night.

> It's not surprising you wouldn't get along on a pro-choice instance, or even be able to refrain from trolling it.

If I had spoken forbidden things, I would have been kicked out. I left voluntarily.

> If this has to do with a baker and a cake I'm going to be very disappointed. Your lot really needs to find new material.

No I don't think we do. That one will serve just fine.

Civil rights trumps freedom of association, and indeed all other rights.

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by SketchySeaBeast on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:38AM (#35231309)
> Civil rights trumps freedom of association, and indeed all other rights.

Wait, I can't ask you to leave my property because I don't like what you're saying? Also, freedom of association is explicitly a civil right.

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by konart on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:49AM (#35232312)
>I see you self-identify as a "honkler", which is an explicitly neo-nazi

As a Russian who is lost in modern english langauge: does this "honkler" thing has anything to do with https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk? Also a golang fediverse project.

Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by krapp on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:33AM (#35233079)
Re:Mastodon Hit 10M Users by dmatech on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:09PM (#35234856)
Neither RW nor Wikipedia are reliable sources for what is alt-right, neo-Nazi, or any other contentious term. The terms themselves are largely a matter of opinion, and the sources used to make these determinations don't even pretend to be objective.