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Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by fsckboy on Sunday March 19, 2023 @06:13PM (#35224231)
> This is what you get if you privatize and deregulate basic infrastructure services: huge holes in coverage and overpriced monopolistic control of the rest of it.

shouldn't every square inch of Alaska be electrified, internetted, and cellphone towered? that way, just in case I consider whether to live there, I won't have to think about the inconvenience of it, it will make my decision easier.

i.e. spending money on expensive infrastructure to service small numbers of customers is not necessarily a brilliant idea. Who knows, it may not have even paid itself back for all remote communities within the lower 48; many rural communities are even smaller now then there were then.

That doesn't mean there weren't net benefits from the rural electrification act, but you are wrong to pitch it as "evil corporate barons vs everybody else". How about all of us together decide what we can afford? Would you accept your kid's argument that you pay to electrify (to code, mind you, and union electricians) your kid's treehouse in the backyard just because he accuses you of being a greedy tyrant if you don't?

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by bbarnett on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:09PM (#35226398)
The problem is, no farmers, no food. No resource extraction, no stuff. Cities cannot exist without rural workers.

But what rural worker wants to leave their children to unfair advantage? These things have value beyond economics, they are required to maintain population and workers of absolutely essential jobs.

(Otherwise, these areas further depopulate, and you have to provide other incentives to get people to do said work.)

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by fsckboy on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:47AM (#35227739)
what you are saying is, it's an economic decision, which is what I am saying. But you're not recognizing it as an economic decision, you're just saying "food. do it"
Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by bbarnett on Monday March 20, 2023 @05:09AM (#35229001)
Not quite.

What I will agree with, is that while it could be wrapped into an economic decision, if so, then "making sure there are hospitals there", or police, or schools is also an economic decision.

Which pretty much means that with such reasoning, all centralized planning is. Many economists might disagree.

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by MichaelZuo on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:50AM (#35231472)
Everything that involves resources is certainly at least an economic decisions, or political-economic decision, etc.
Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by bumby on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:14AM (#35231005)
Hey, while we’re at it let’s pro-rate how much the military /police/fire departments are willing to protect citizens and property based on their proportional contribution. /s

The cost and reward functions in a complex society are much more complicated than you seem to allude. Some things we’ve decided as a society are public goods and deserve to be uncoupled from those market forces because they are important enough to ensure everyone have relatively equal access.

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by dmonitor on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:28AM (#35232974)
The electric company probably won't see much profit from electrifying a rural area, but getting rural areas access to electricity is good for society and helps everyone in the long term. It's the kind of big picture thinking that the government should incentivize.