More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Apprenticeships

Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by cat_plus_plus on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:44PM (#35215471)

Culture is a shared fiction of unity and greatness that enables great civilizations to overcome otherwise inevitable tribal warfare. So Native Americans and Pilgrims sat down together for a Thanksgiving feast with Turkey and mashed potatoes. Should we teach this to children despite there being more to the story? Well it depends, do we want descendants of Pilgrims and Native Americans to sit down for a Thanksgiving feast today, or do we prefer various 2020-style riots to go on? That's the original political correctness, prioritizing getting along over being right. It's not wrong to tell kids that being a boy or a girl doesn't matter, just follow your dreams. Some day they will discover that it sometimes does matter, and that being born 200 years earlier would have sucked. But by then they will develop good habits like striving for individual equal treatment over tribalism. Where left gets it wrong is treating children like adults when it comes to gore and sexuality and adults like children when it comes to free speech.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by TimTheTinker on Sunday March 19, 2023 @12:41AM (#35216111)

> Where left gets it wrong is treating children like adults when it comes to gore and sexuality and adults like children when it comes to free speech.

And denying the primacy of objective truth (as best we know it, subject to intellectual inquiry and criticism) over subjective experience.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by kelseyfrog on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:20AM (#35232834)

The issue in a nutshell is that folks use the language of objective reality, science, and nature, as a political cuddle and then deny doing it. When that can stop we can actually sit down and have an adult conversation.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by TimTheTinker on Monday March 20, 2023 @02:33PM (#35236390)

> folks use the language of objective reality, science, and nature, as a political cuddle

Did you mean "political cudgel"?

I agree people in power always have a collection of "facts" they pull out to "prove" things. Public arbiters of conversation (op-ed columnists, bloggers, etc.) ought to call those into question as a matter of routine.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by kelseyfrog on Monday March 20, 2023 @03:09PM (#35236964)

Haha, what a typo! That's funny, yes.

We're in the midst of epistemological de/re-territorialization between objective and subjective and frankly, when I hear or read people frame their opinions as fact/truth/reality/nature/science I instantly shutoff and encourage others to do the same. Specifically, I'm an anti-reificationist and if I catch a wiff of people reifying their symbolic universe, they instantly lose my respect.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by skinnymuch on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:02PM (#35264815)

Sorry I don’t mean to be following you. I have been trying to find a way to actually agree with you on something.

I found it! We are both absolutely rigid when it comes to reificationism. We happened to move to different sides of the political spectrum is all. It’s fascinating to me. I was a normal person not knowing politics 1.5 years ago. I got radicalized mostly in 2022 to the left.

Thanks for teaching me that word and amazingly I not only whole heartedly agree with everything you’re saying. I’m interested in your insights. Sorry if I behaved rudely to you in other comments. Im autistic and I forget to be an empathic person sometimes.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by hiddencost on Sunday March 19, 2023 @04:57AM (#35217221)

"Where left gets it wrong is treating children like adults when it comes to gore and sexuality and adults like children when it comes to free speech."

This lie that you are telling to justify banning transgender people is going to get the love of my life killed, if you're not careful.

I repudiate the narrative that supporting diversity of gender expression is sexualizing children, and will do everything I can to see you and your people lose in the court and at the ballot box.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by advicer on Sunday March 19, 2023 @07:55AM (#35218114)

Maybe the love of your life should stay out of spaces that are restricted solely for the opposite sex, then. Otherwise they'll get what's coming to them.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by 1attice on Sunday March 19, 2023 @12:59PM (#35221018)

thank you for saying this.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by miley_cyrus on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:32AM (#35227662)

Nothing in that person's comment supports "banning transgender people," and I resent that you are trying to twist that person's words.

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by Pamar on Sunday March 19, 2023 @06:40AM (#35217715)

"But by then they will develop good habits like striving for individual equal treatment over tribalism."

Do you think there is absolutely no "tribalism" right now, in the public debate?

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Re:More Students Are Turning Away from College and Toward Ap... by michaelbrave on Sunday March 19, 2023 @09:32PM (#35226125)

as I understood it the whole thing with pilgrim's natives and turkey never happened and that thanksgiving was a post civil war holiday that somehow turned into that.

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