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Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by narrator on Saturday March 18, 2023 @01:50PM (#35211412)
I was around in the early 90s on BBSs. One of the things that amuses me about people asking AI how to do bad stuff and all the handwringing about AI safety is that one of the popular things that was available for download on some of the less reputable forums in the early 90s were various "text files" that would give instructions for doing various illegal or morally dubious things.

There were hundreds of these and it was a practical thing to share back when 1 megabyte took an hour to download. One that cracked up to no end that I still remember vaguely was "How to be a gigolo.". Apparently, you have to move to South Florida and wear a sport coat. I don't remember anything else from it except it was hilariously written. Good times.

Also, since BBSes required a lot of technical knowhow to get into, it was this back channel for all the extreme teenage geeks in the local calling area. It was this phenomenally fun secret club that I met some exceptionally weird people through, but also lifelong friends. There were some great magazines of the time like Mondo 2000, and the ethos was real techno-libertarianism, information wants to be free, and all that fun stuff. Everyone was coming off the high of the Soviet Union falling apart and believed that now human liberty would flourish everywhere.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ghaff on Saturday March 18, 2023 @02:37PM (#35211843)
From about the mid-80s to the mid-90s, after grad school, I was active on another 617 area code BBS (Channel 1). It was a mostly aboveground thing though pretty much all BBSs had dark corners you could peer into. Quite a few of the regulars on the main board ended up getting together semi-regularly in real life.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by bink on Saturday March 18, 2023 @02:05PM (#35211546)
Shout out to Jason Scott and textfiles.com

http://textfiles.com/directory.html

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by alexsereno on Saturday March 18, 2023 @02:58PM (#35212022)
Thank you for this
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by RGamma on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:34PM (#35213323)
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Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by totetsu on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:38PM (#35213873)
These text files really show that it was only a very specific type of human who’s liberty was flourishing.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by zozbot234 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:59PM (#35214053)
Hindsight is always 20:20. What matters is that we live in a much freer and more open world today than in the 1980s and information of all kinds is vastly more accessible, often available for free. So these early predictions have basically proven quite accurate.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by wkat4242 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:38PM (#35215439)
I don't know about that. In many ways the 80s felt a lot more free. Sexual morals were much more open, there was much less government and corporate espionage on citizens. I liked society a lot more back then.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:01PM (#35215569)
I disagree about sexual morals. We live in a time where everything that was kept locked away from "polite society" in the 80s is now celebrated and held up as morally correct and right. The only people deemed depraved today are those who adhere to a more traditional view, and that was absolutely not the way things were in the 80s.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by wkat4242 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:16PM (#35215688)
I suppose I was never really part of 'polite society', being from Amsterdam in the 80s.

I assume you refer to things like homosexuality which were already totally normal there back then. Transsexualism was a bit less common back then but I imagine this was also because the medical tech wasn't at the required level yet to really make a transition possible.

But I wasn't really talking about those things. More about sexuality in general being a taboo in the media and popular culture.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ladzoppelin on Sunday March 19, 2023 @12:53AM (#35216163)
Wow I have never thought about the technical aspect of the current Transsexualism movent before but it makes sense. Interesting.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by itsinertia on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:49PM (#35226676)
“Transsexualism was a bit less common back then but I imagine this was also because the medical tech wasn't at the required level yet to really make a transition possible.”

Transsexualism/trangenderism was indeed a bit less common then (or at least more hidden from the public sphere), but that wasn’t so much due to surgical tech. Gender affirming surgery in the form of vaginoplasty was performed as early as 1922. Gender affirming hormone replacement therapy and other procedures also date back decades.

Of course, the availability of these procedures have increased over time, but I don’t think the technology has been the primary barrier to trans people’s public existence. The trans movement’s progress has had far more to do with advocacy and activism increasing cultural tolerance. And also creating a broader cultural awareness, which in turn allows even more closeted/questioning trans people to put a name to their experiences, and learn about the possibilities available to them.

For perhaps the vast majority of time prior to the mid twentieth century, most trans people had no trans role models, and often no awareness that other trans people even existed, much less that medical procedures were available to help them. That’s all, mostly, thanks to the many trans people who fought (and died) for things to improve.

Surgical tech advancements have definitely helped, but they aren’t as central to the growing numbers of trans people coming out. Our social, legal, and political changes have been hard won, and we are constantly fighting to preserve them—see Michael Knowles recent call to “eradicate transgenderism” to a crowd of applause at CPAC: https://www.rollingstone.com/t/michael-knowles/

Surgical tech does us little to no good if our public existence is outlawed and violently suppressed.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by dghughes on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:06PM (#35215605)
Yahoo video chat in the late 1990s was pretty wild for sexual openness.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by wkat4242 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:22PM (#35215707)
True the 90s weren't bad either. It was only then when things started changing.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ElfinTrousers on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:54AM (#35219571)
> I don't know about that. In many ways the 80s felt a lot more free. Sexual morals were much more open

...unless you were gay. I'm old enough to remember how casually homophobic 80s society was. (At least in the USA).

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Clubber on Sunday March 19, 2023 @07:30PM (#35224949)
Yes, I remember gay people getting beaten to death just because they were gay. There was a lot more crime too, the peak being in the early 1990s. Now it's not so much criminals we have to worry about (we still do), but out of control cops and government.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by DANmode on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:29PM (#35215049)
s/flourishing/exercised
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by seneca on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:52PM (#35215182)
What an absolutely bizarre way to interpret them. It shows that the internet was accessible to a very small segment of the world
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by aww_dang on Sunday March 19, 2023 @03:35AM (#35216855)
Is it bizarre? It seems like the new norm. Everything is filtered through this lens, no matter how inane.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by bsuvc on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:40PM (#35215807)
To which specific type of human are you referring?

Or did you mean to make vague racist reference where we are supposed to fill in the blank?

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by bsuvc on Sunday March 19, 2023 @12:04AM (#35215926)
To which specific type of human are you referring?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by mytailorisrich on Saturday March 18, 2023 @03:12PM (#35212163)
I got onto the internet in the second half of the 90s and as a rebellious teenager I, of course, started by downloading the various 'cookbooks' (anarchist, phreaking, etc) that were very easy to find through Alta Vista just to play cool and boast to my friends.

I would not ask Google about those stuff today and I would certainly not dare downloading them for fear of triggering so many alerts and red flags, and these days it would probablu be possible to be jailed (in the UK) just for having this material on your computer.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Cthulhu_ on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:05PM (#35213095)
One Rumour I heard is that the ones about making bombs was actually written and published by the CIA and intentionally wrong.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by mytailorisrich on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:07PM (#35213124)
Well, I was sensible enough not to try so I cannot say!
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ganoushoreilly on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:04PM (#35213555)
Given they did this with terrorist literature, it wouldn't be surprising.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:26PM (#35215031)
I always assumed it wasn’t that hard to figure out how to make a bomb. That’s not to say it would necessarily be efficient or easy.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by 0xGod on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:10PM (#35213141)
Why is the UK full of so many weak nannies and wannabe tyrants that your state can tell you what you can and cannot read over there?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:29PM (#35215053)
The baffling thing is how it’s defended.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by 0xGod on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:58PM (#35215216)
The ones who defend it are the ones who believe they would benefit from remaining in control once systems of enslavement and thought control are built and deployed.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by pjc50 on Sunday March 19, 2023 @07:01AM (#35217804)
The US response to terrorism was directed overseas, while the UK one has for a longer time been directed at "enemies within". The UK press is entirely behind all these restrictions, sadly.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by InCityDreams on Sunday March 19, 2023 @09:20AM (#35218654)
Pretty sure if you download the anarchists cookbook i the usa, it'll probably get flagged.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by crimsoneer on Sunday March 19, 2023 @01:00PM (#35221023)
why would anybody do that? To flag every nerdy 15 year old? What would you possible achieve?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by jstarfish on Monday March 20, 2023 @01:49PM (#35235607)
Intelligence.

It puts them on your radar, so when you're later investigating a pipe-bomb mailing spree and come across them again, you know better than to believe the "he would never / but he's such a good boy" you always hear from the parents.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by holoduke on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:24PM (#35213730)
Really? Is it that bad? You cannot google what you like. I ask obscene questions all time. Just out of interest. Whats wrong with that?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by mytailorisrich on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:40PM (#35213886)
At least in the UK I believe that your search history over the last 12 months is accessible by the police. So if for whatever reason you become under investigation it is sensible to ask yourself what the police would think about what you searched...
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:25PM (#35215024)
That’s sad
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:02PM (#35215576)
They are subjects, not citizens
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ljwall on Sunday March 19, 2023 @03:38AM (#35216874)
Not sure what you're aiming to imply without saying there.

But you're mostly wrong. The majority of people you would call British are classed as citizens, not subjects:

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by alwayslikethis on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:29AM (#35218294)
Subjects not as in the formal status, just as in "subjects of the crown", as a ruled class.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by crimsoneer on Sunday March 19, 2023 @12:51PM (#35220917)
No, it isn't. You can ask google whatever you want, and no "red flags" are being raised, this isn't the Bourne Identity. Police barely have capacity to arrest criminals these days, nobody is checking if you download the anarchist cookook ffs.

If you get arrested for child porn, will police get your google search history and check you haven't googled bad things? Sure.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Nextgrid on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:05AM (#35229405)
> Police barely have capacity to arrest criminals these days,

Unless you piss off the wrong people that is. Selective enforcement is very much a thing.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:58PM (#35214842)
As I recall the anarchist cookbooks aren’t that bad. Stuff like how to make napalm (gasoline and styrofoam as I recall).
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by jstarfish on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:10PM (#35215639)
As I recall, there were quite a few about how to mix poisons and improvise explosives.

Arguably "tame" but not something you want to be associated with today.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by jon-wood on Sunday March 19, 2023 @01:01PM (#35221032)
Also that recipe for napalm didn’t actually work.

Or so I’ve heard from, ahem, some people during the early 00s.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ilrwbwrkhv on Saturday March 18, 2023 @03:31PM (#35212290)
Same. I also remember totse which was such a fun read and there was this book on how to be a professional assassin. It was riveting. Now everyone is on the internet so I guess those days are never coming back.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by dstroot on Saturday March 18, 2023 @03:49PM (#35212466)
I was only “hacker curious” back then. I always wondered - was it pronounced “loft” or “low fat”? I know dumb question but I always wondered…
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by lagniappe on Saturday March 18, 2023 @04:08PM (#35212628)
pronounced as "loft heavy industries"
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by sanswork on Saturday March 18, 2023 @04:10PM (#35212645)
Loft.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by abudabi123 on Sunday March 19, 2023 @02:08PM (#35221797)

  I always wondered - was it pronounced “loft” or “low fat”?
“elephant”?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by rco8786 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @04:00PM (#35212559)
Jolly Rogers Cookbook comes to mind
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by jamesfmilne on Saturday March 18, 2023 @04:32PM (#35212834)
Yup, I remember the Anarchists Cookbook, telling you how to make mortars, and napalm out of polystyrene & petrol.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:38PM (#35215100)
I feel like this isn’t so taboo though. Google returns a featured snippet for napalm ingredients. And you literally just told everyone how to make napalm right here.

I think the edginess comes from the implication that there were people out there actually doing this. And perhaps that people read this when they were 14.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by alwayslikethis on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:42AM (#35218392)
There are plenty of videos about women doing this in Ukraine to support the war effort.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by thrwawy74 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @04:59PM (#35213050)
1) I'm against restricting things behind technical know-how to select for "the right group of people" on principle. I'm not talking about then, but now.

2) I wonder if this magical period was only possible because it was reachable by a few, and this knowledge was not largely abused because of the entry fee.

3) AI is lowering the barrier to entry. The great equalizer, to see what we do with valuable insight ~ Politicians should fear computers more than disgruntled citizens.

4) I hope we don't see export laws changed to cover AI models like encryption was.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by raverbashing on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:19PM (#35213220)
I kinda agree but technical know-how is probably one of the more "honest" ways of self-limiting something if only because freeloaders usually don't have the patience for anything too complicated

And punishment for abuse is mostly non-existent

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:31PM (#35215063)
I think people don’t build bombs because they don’t want to. Not because they don’t know how.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by samstave on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:14PM (#35213169)
>>"Also, since BBSes required a lot of technical knowhow to get into"

HA!!! I ran a BBS Warez Site out of my North Tahoe High School CAD lab on an everex step cube on a 9600 baud modem in 1991

I was 14.

I was grounded for a MONTH for calling long distance into a BBS in San Jose CA in order to play "The Pit" and "Trade wars" and the phone bill was $926 and I failed to buy all the wheat in the galaxy and accidentally SOLD all my wheat failing to corner the market, but flooding it...

Yeah, that was on a 286 with an amber monitor that I convinced my dad he needed a computer for his business... and then a 2400 baud modem was important... so I could play Populous with a friend over modem.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by mackraken on Sunday March 19, 2023 @06:50PM (#35224548)
Similar experience here. “Trade Wars” was amazing for the time and place. I’ve often wondered what happened to it and why someone hasn’t ported it (has it been?!)
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by samstave on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:17PM (#35213196)
MONDO 2000 was Amazing!

Its wear i learned the first of Jaron Lanier and UI/AI/etc whatever he was talking about at the time.

Was later a long time subscriber to WIRED before they got too smug.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by narrator on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:23PM (#35213243)
I've bumped into R.U Sirius a couple of times. Whenever I do I always congratulate him on Mondo 2000 and being so far ahead of the curve at the time.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by samstave on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:30PM (#35214297)
Whats nuts is that my middle school Lake Tahoe Bus Station sold MONDO - and for a middle schooler, it was pretty expensive... I Think it was ~$7 or maybe $5.99 - regardless, it was NUTS in 1989/1990 F I cant even recall the time...

But the sold it in LAKE TAHOE. IN 1990-ish!

UHM, was also a subsccriber of 2600 and a total phreak (built blue/black boxes that fit into film canisters, and had an official captain crunch cereal whistle when it was released)

I also pulled the famous 'packing tape on dollar bill' hack (theft) to play video games ;

So there was this 'hack' where you put a strip of packing tape (folded over itself such that the sticky parts are together) - you put them on a $1 or $5 bill\

You put the dollar into a vending machine at the post office to buy stamps.

You buy the cheapest amount of stamps, then you YANK the dollar-in-packing-tape from the machine...

You receive the stamps, the change from the yanked bill, take the change to the Safeway (grocery store) next door and you play the video games they had in them ; Defender and Contra.

It took us $25 in stolen quarters from the post office machine vuln to this attack to beat contra.

My buddy who I did this with is now EVP at Blizzard.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by spiritplumber on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:17PM (#35213671)
I miss that spirit, how do we get it back?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by narrator on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:31PM (#35213816)
The problem with the tech incubators and hackathons and so forth of today is that it's only tangentially about having fun.

Back then it was 90% fun and maybe a few random guys were trying to figure out how to start some sort of tech business. It was mostly hobbyists just screwing around. That sense of play and screwing around is what made it so magical.

The last time I felt that kind of magic was when I attended an event called BIOcurious (Note the 'O' in previous word) where they showed complete novices how to use a minION device to sequence DNA with pipettes and reagents. It's the kind of thing that you need to be physically present for. The tech is not easy, but crazy powerful. With biotech gear getting cheap enough to be prosumer, maybe there will be that kind of extreme hobbyist thing forming around biotech? In a similar way, in the 80s computers went from things only big companies could afford to prosumer and even consumer devices and so all these people were getting involved just to see what they could do with these new magical devices.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by spiritplumber on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:02PM (#35214082)
Was it in SF? I was there with a very derpy bioprinter that was basically a Solidoodle 2 or 3 with peristaltic pumps instead of an extruder :)
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by legerdemain on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:58PM (#35215548)
Maybe it was Counter Culture Lab in Oakland, which is a maker space with a focus on microbiology.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by toofy on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:55PM (#35214457)
i think this is exactly it. the internet of old was mostly hobbiests. even the early blogs were mostly hobbiests whi just wanted to share their info and didn’t care at all whether it made them money.

the profit motive creeping in changes the dynamic completely. btw i think this seems to happen with everything, i don’t think it’s limited to just technology—it happens with anything that transforms from fun hobby. this always seems to sap the energy from many of the most passionate.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by RugnirViking on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:10PM (#35215636)
This is something ive been thinking for a long time. It always annoys me when people say stuff like "content creators wouldn't exist without ad revenue" like dude no it would be different for sure, much less polished but less bland, people would absolubtely still make stuff for fun & to be cool not to make money. Theres a reason the culture of the internet today is still so influenced by stuff like newgrounds, because that kind of expression for its own sake is where creativity thrives
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Clubber on Sunday March 19, 2023 @07:36PM (#35224990)
I agree. The comment section is a wealth of knowledge and people don't get any type of revenue except "karma," and last I checked, I couldn't buy anything with it.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by alwayslikethis on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:34AM (#35218335)
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Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Vespasian on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:01PM (#35214864)
We have a local hackerspace that regularly holds gamedev meetings and once or twice a year holds a weekend long Gamejam.

I love those because it's 2 days of challenging yourself to actually finish your project and do something crazy if you like. These constraints make it fun.

Our regular meetings are a good mix of hobbiests, professionals and the very occasional idea guy to allow great discussions and feelings of community.

Obviously there is no corporate sponsor and no prices besides the appreciation of your fellow hackers.

I also participated in "local government" sponsored Hackathon and while those are nice to meet people and encourage the bueocracy to embrace the modern world it's almost always about some social goal like accessibility, open data etc. These are important and interesting topics but the projects are never that "fun".

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by TigeriusKirk on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:14PM (#35215313)
The last time I felt that magic was the BarCamp scene. People would give presentations on whatever they wanted, and it ran more on the fun side of things than the useful knowledge side. But even that was almost 15 years ago now.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by myth_drannon on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:08PM (#35214540)
You can't bring it back because it exists only in the memories of your youth. That spirit is created in the minds of many young people at this moment and in 20 years they will ask the same question (bring back the spirit of bitcoins, 4chan, Reddit, or whatever).
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Lapsa on Sunday March 19, 2023 @03:25AM (#35216810)
the spirit of 4chan - I like the sound of it :D
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by alwayslikethis on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:41AM (#35218383)
No, there is something decisively different about today's internet. I'm not from that time, having been born after the turn of the millennium, but I also feel a sense of excitement when I read these things from the past. This spirit is not present in today's corporatized, sterile internet. Everyone is trying to build a business on the internet now, so much so that there is no place left for fun anymore.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by mgdlbp on Sunday March 19, 2023 @02:25PM (#35221966)
You might find these perspectives interesting:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495517

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26mkK7s--I0 — the unexpectedly sincere description of which. Excerpt:

[...]

(retvrn to Konata)

Hey if I’ve been pretending it’s 2011 for the last decade so can you.

(le verboten maymay arrow)you will never watch “Haruhi Suzumiya Episode 1- Part 1” for the first time ever again

Or were you more indie, and instead hit up “The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya English Dub Episode 1 [1/3]”?

God what I’d do for my exact watch history from 10 years ago…

I think I jotted down the date and time, down to the morning I discovered Miku, at least I have that…

Miku lead to MMD (tutorials), which lead to Caramelldansen (heh), the top results after searching that were Haruhi (naturally), and then some time later I was led back to Haruhi. What good times…

.

I think the most profound think I’ve realised in life, after endlessly trying to recapture so many emotions, is that it’s not just a matter of being in the same place, with the same devices, watching the same media, at the same time of day, during the same season, it still won’t be the same.

Even with the same old friend group, it’ll be different, because not only are they all different people to who they were at the time, so are you.

You can never be that person again, and you can never experience it the same way again. That’s why nostalgia’s such a blessing, you can still feel things the same way, not by experiencing it again, but simply by remembering it.

I was talking to a friend, they said they got really into LOTR when they were in their late teens, read all the books cover to cover, absolutely loved them, and that they know damn well they’ll never read them again.

I think they understood the same thing.

Truth be told I think I’ve only watched all of Haruhi through three times, Yuki-chan maybe twice, Disappearance twice, and Lucky Star once, and those viewings of Haruhi have been spread pretty evenly over the last decade, I’m not sure I’ll watch them again for a while.

But I know I will watch them again.

Preferably from the rooftop of an apartment complex in Nishinomiya…

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by myth_drannon on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:48PM (#35225683)
Thanks! The first link is a deeply profound description of the feelings.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by icedchai on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:04PM (#35225245)
I grew up with the 90's internet. I was a young teenager when I first got online back in 1991 or so. Part of it is looking at those days through rose colored glasses. The other part is that as the internet become commercially viable, enough to go mainstream, the "spirit" simply got diluted as more and more people came online. Most of the users of the early Internet were academics, hackers, nerds, and various weirdos. Today, it's everyday people. There's still plenty of weird stuff out there, it's just a much smaller percentage of the content.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by jon-wood on Sunday March 19, 2023 @01:04PM (#35221065)
Find your local Hackspace, it’s probably populated by the same sort of people, building things for the love of doing something fun and interesting. (Unfortunately it’ll also be populated by the sort of antagonistic nerds you’d quietly leave a bar to avoid, but that was the case back in the 90s as well)
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by TacticalCoder on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:21PM (#35214231)
> ... various "text files" that would give instructions for doing various illegal or morally dubious things.

I was there in the BBS era too. I remember one such text file explaining a simple mechanism to light up a bomb without leaving much trace of the mechanism used to delay the bomb blowing up: it consisted of lighting a cigarette in which a small hole was drilled. Then the text file was going into details, explaining which type of cigarettes to buy so that it wouldn't consume too fast / not get blown by the wind / etc. It was totally hilarious too.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by 867-5309 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:32PM (#35214308)
can't forget the Terrorist Cookbook - that thing must be as old as the internet
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA on Sunday March 19, 2023 @03:36AM (#35216865)
Are you thinking of the Anarchist’s Cookbook?
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by 867-5309 on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:57AM (#35230807)
that's the one!
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by nonethewiser on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:34PM (#35215077)
I feel like the concerning thing is that someone seemingly had direct experience with this. But you just reshared the information and no one cares. The info itself just doesn’t seem that terrible.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by joshxyz on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:11PM (#35214929)
Shit man okay now add that to my list of legitimate fears, AI getting their hands on works by the Paladin Press, haha.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by zoklet-enjoyer on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:16PM (#35214964)
My teen years were spent reading books from Paladin and Loompanics and browsing totse, erowid, and bluelight
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by Convolutional on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:29PM (#35215050)
> There were some great magazines of the time like Mondo 2000, and the ethos was real techno-libertarianism, information wants to be free, and all that fun stuff. Everyone was coming off the high of the Soviet Union falling apart and believed that now human liberty would flourish everywhere.

Louis Rossetto had this viewpoint 20 years before he launched Wired, and was smart enough to focus on the tech and tech people and tech business for the most part. The right-libertarian philosophy was doled out lightly and cleverly. Wired did try to make it seem that Silicon Valley was just a right-libertarian utopia, and made it seem everyone was of this mind - more than was the case.

R U Sirius had similar ideas. I think it made things seem different than they actually were.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by strictnein on Sunday March 19, 2023 @03:01AM (#35216717)
Bouncing around BBSs late at night in the 90s was just a blast. Sitting in the basement, hoping the parents wouldn't find you up at 3am yet again. Seeing what random "stuff" was available. Playing door games (TradeWars, LORD, etc). Finding a list of other local BBSs and calling into those and repeating the process.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by alwayslikethis on Sunday March 19, 2023 @08:31AM (#35218309)
I wish I had a chance to do that, but I was born too late. By the time I had consistent access to the internet (and learned English), the internet is mostly ruined already.
Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by illwrks on Sunday March 19, 2023 @05:25AM (#35217367)
The anarchist cookbook...

I remember downloading it and putting it on a floppy disk, I'm not sure I ever even look at it :D

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by bane on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:04AM (#35219020)
I remember those days fondly as well. Compounded with growing up in a fairly rural area, the BBS world was an escape and exposure to people and ideas that would have never been considered where I grew up.

There was also this feeling at the time that I'm finding hard to express or even really understand. There was of course the corporate tech world, exemplified very nicely by various magazines and shows like Computer Chronicles. But there was this other world of real techno-culture that seemed to be growing and compounding on itself. There was literature like the Cyberpunk genre, music like early techno and what we now call IDM, BBSs, periodicals like 2600 and Mondo and countless zines. Wired launched sometime in that era. Linux was the work of a single disaffected hacker. The early piracy and demoscenes seemed to give other artistic voices to this counterculture. Technomages were concepts on popular tv. Early ftp and gopher sites (pre-WWW) felt like the work of super l33t nerds. The USSR had just fallen, information wanted to be free, and communicating with people across the planet became something we could do daily, helping us find more of us. It felt like we were building towards something -- billions of minds were about to be unlocked by the commoditized availability of information, computation, and communication and making money was a secondary thought.

And then there was a shift. I don't know when it was, but it felt like the shift onto the WWW allowed the Computer Chronicle watching corporate world to buy up, buy out, co-opt, and extinguish all of it. That nascent tech-culture of the BBS era wholly was unable to truly pivot to Web. Instead of connecting and growing us, it stole, fractured, and repositioned us away from those passions. The corporatists realized that we would never pay for things at the revenue they wanted, and slowly raised the temperature like frogs being boiled, with free services for advertising and entire generations of possible techno-culturalists were diverted from counter culture into optimizing ad placement. Instead of challenging people with new information and ideas, the populace was encouraged to build information echo chambers through which propaganda could be injected and money extracted. What we're becoming was not Hiro Protagonist, Y.T., or Case, but the cautionary "Fitless Humans" from Wall-E.

I'm writing this on a site called "Hacker News" which uses the word "hacker" in a way that I would not recognize back in the 80s and 90s, to drive discussion about hyper growth startups.

I think I'm going to go outside now.

Re:The early 90s tech scene that created L0pht, the legendar... by ElfinTrousers on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:55AM (#35219590)
I refer you to Dr. Thompson's writing on "The Wave". Similar vibe to what you had to say here. https://genius.com/Hunter-s-thompson-the-wave-passage-fear-a...