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Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by skrebbel on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:01AM (#35208352)
I’m not going to pay MS even more just to get a version that has a “please disable this one specific bit of crap” toggle. This has got to be the worst upsell ever.

It’s like you book a hotel room and the TV is on Fox News and you can’t turn the TV off. You ask around but everybody says that they can turn it off just fine, must be you. Turns out that they’re all in the executive suite and they also have Fox News on the TV, turned on by default when they enter the room, but for them the hotel didn’t hide the remote.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by grugagag on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:14AM (#35208439)
Can’t stop laughing, it’s a funny analogy. Im trying to find a case where the user would be okay with that but not even the staunchest fox news fan would be okay with it. I really hate this model where windows is free but infested by ads you can’t get away from. The other day someone came over to me asking if they should get a windows laptop upgrade and I recommending them getting a mac
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by RajT88 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:57AM (#35209594)
Fox News fans would love it if a hotel (or all hotels) turned Fox News on and his the remotes.

If you have a TV in a public place people are always trying to put Fox News on. It is not because of those businesses.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by xattt on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:59AM (#35208730)
It was either in 1984 or Fahrenheit 451 where each house was equipped with a radio that couldn’t be turned off but only made quieter.

My Google-fu is failing me.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by gjm11 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:36AM (#35209035)
On the first page of _Nineteen Eighty-Four_ there's this:

"Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely."

(Though the more nightmarish thing about 1984's "telescreens" is that they were two-way, giving the government the ability to see and hear what you were doing as well as exposing you to their propaganda.)

I had the vague feeling there was something similar in _Fahrenheit 451_ too, but I took a look and I'm pretty sure there isn't.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by soundnote on Saturday March 18, 2023 @02:44PM (#35211910)
And people today happily buy voice assistants themselves.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by CamperBob2 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @04:26PM (#35212792)
"Hey Telescreen, reorder trash bags and look up recipes for risotto."

Huxley's extrapolations were much more on-target than Orwell's. He realized people would line up to buy things that Orwell assumed would have to be imposed at gunpoint.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by xattt on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:18PM (#35213678)
From ChatGPT using the prompt of a description of someone ordering household items from a voice assistant in the style of 1984:

As the clock struck 10 in the morning, Winston Smith approached the telescreen in his small apartment, where his voice assistant, known as "Big Alexa," awaited his commands.

"Order household items," Winston spoke into the device, his voice barely above a whisper.

"Confirmed," the cold, metallic voice of the voice assistant replied. "What items would you like to order, Winston?"

Winston hesitated, feeling a twinge of paranoia as he considered the possibility that his every word and bowel habits were being monitored and recorded by the omnipresent Party. But he knew that he had no choice but to comply with the rules of this totalitarian society.

"Two rolls of toilet paper," he said, his voice trembling slightly.

"Two rolls of toilet paper," the voice assistant repeated back in its emotionless tone. "Anything else?"

"Yes," Winston said, his eyes darting nervously around the room. "One bottle of dish soap, one box of laundry detergent, and a package of paper towels."

"Confirmed," the voice assistant said. "Your order will be processed and delivered within the next 24 hours."

Winston breathed a small sigh of relief, knowing that he had successfully navigated yet another aspect of his tightly controlled life. But as he turned away from the telescreen and resumed his mundane existence, he couldn't help but wonder if there was any escape from the all-seeing eyes of the Party.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by CamperBob2 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:26PM (#35214655)
Pretty amazing. "But it's just a dumb Markov model," they said. "Pay no attention to the guy in the Chinese Room who suddenly seems to understand what's actually being said."
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by pimlottc on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:55AM (#35210112)
This was also part of the original Max Headroom TV series, except in this was it was a television you couldn't turn off.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by playingalong on Saturday March 18, 2023 @12:35PM (#35210524)
That's not fiction. Not sure what came first though
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by NikolaNovak on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:03AM (#35209204)
Your analogy is good but I disagree with your principle.

Companies need to make money (if you don't accept this premise, fair rough but we probably have no further meaningful discussion).

I'm OK if they offer me options. Here's a free / cheap option that's ad supported, here's a premium option that has no ads.

This is a good choice! It's a good choice for all! It's when we don't have that choice that things suck! And if we want free things with no ads, that option exists too! :-)

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by throwbackhere on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:49AM (#35209534)
Microsoft is using dark patterns and is gaslighting its customers about it.

The honest thing to do here is for Microsoft to leave the option visible but show a big ugly error window when lesser users try to change the setting. That way, people won't waste their time trying to fix something they're not allowed to fix.

Source: This happened to me, a now Linux user.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by skrebbel on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:43AM (#35210007)
Look, I don’t even know for sure if this is a Home vs Pro thing. I’m just deducting that from the comments here. I’m not arguing against the virtues of an ad-supported software product, I’m arguing against the obscenely braindead way Microsoft is executing it.

If there were a free ad-supported Windows and a paid ad-free (and news-free!) Windows I’d be a happy paying customer.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by CatWChainsaw on Sunday March 19, 2023 @09:16AM (#35218623)
Last year, I bought a win10 pro to avoid microsoft login BS. It was a $1000 upsell.