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Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by r12343a_19 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:45AM (#35208248)
> Don’t they understand that this is what drives people to Macs and Chromebooks (and nerds like me to Linux)?

(Internal) metrics say otherwise.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by Nextgrid on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:34AM (#35208566)
Internal metrics can be cooked to show anything. I read somewhere that "if you torture the data enough, it will confess". Whatever oxygen wasters are pushing for this crap will cook the data in such a way to push for their idea (as their salary depends on it) while "conveniently" not putting forwards data that shows otherwise.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by marginalia_nu on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:23AM (#35208504)
How would internal metrics even capture someone using a different computer?
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by AraceliHarker on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:37AM (#35208589)
I think you can track pretty well with just the device ID alone, but you combine it with other identities like location information, IP address, cookies, login information and so on. Is that why Windows 11 recently made it impossible to bypass creating an MS account?
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by marginalia_nu on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:06AM (#35208777)
Yeah but they're speaking about switching to a chromebook or a mac. How is your device ID going to help with that?
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by lozenge on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:43AM (#35209082)
They could summarise the User-Agent s visiting LinkedIn or a couple of other websites they run.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by imajoredinecon on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:45AM (#35209093)
You estimate how many people use computers and how many people use computers you make. When you subtract the two, you get how many people use computers that your competitors make.

Not every “internal metric” is something you can measure directly.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by marginalia_nu on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:40AM (#35209480)
If that is how sketchy the data they are using to make decisions is, that would explain a lot about their decisions.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by alpaca128 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:03AM (#35209211)
Most active Linux PCs were made by Windows PC manufacturers.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by vladvasiliu on Saturday March 18, 2023 @10:49AM (#35209541)
If windows keeps phoning home, at some point they should see a bunch of device ids not checking in anymore.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by skrebbel on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:50AM (#35208272)
(Internal) metrics may be short sighted.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by tetrep on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:57AM (#35208318)
What if they're not?

What if it really is economically better for Microsoft to "double dip" and try to monetize Windows beyond its purchase price?

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by vanviegen on Saturday March 18, 2023 @08:52AM (#35208688)
Of course they are. It's just not practicle to track long-term consumer sentiment around Microsoft, and life-time customer spending. So they track something else and convince themselves it's close enough.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by everdrive on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:21AM (#35208911)
I think you raise a very important point. What if it's economically better for you to let men have sex with your wife for money? If you _don't_ do this, you're just sitting on untapped value.
Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by fhd2 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:48AM (#35209105)
Not a fan of the analogy, I like to think that would be her own decision, not her partner's.

Anyway, companies are capitalist entities, so all that ultimately matters for them is to make more money. The majority of decisions happen along the axis of short term revenue vs long term revenue (e.g. not ruining your brand, not getting fined etc).

In an environment of insecurity and fear, I've seen companies focus more on the short term, since it's less speculative. But it sure doesn't look very good from the outside.

Re:The dark defaults of Microsoft Edge by doubled112 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:57AM (#35209165)
She has the choice to get a divorce just like I have the choice to not use Windows.