Nurses? Our job is a lot easier and less important and working conditions are much better. And yet, a fresh grad straight out of school gets a few times more money than an experienced nurse. And, what is worse, a lot of devs honestly believe that they deserve it.
Ah yes, I remember them. The students that were taking the easy chemistry instead of hard chemistry, the easy physics in 2 classes instead of hard physics in 3 classes, and who mostly seemed to be fairly clueless and just doing nursing because someone told them that health care is a growth field. Reminded me a lot of aimless business majors.
Their jobs actually are also on average easier, their education was easier on average, and their ongoing training investment is on average easier, and maybe (although this I don’t know) with more job security.
Edit to reply: No, this is not a joke. I remember this impression I had very clearly. I also still roughly remember the courses each major needed to take.
My RN friend graduated and got her RN a full 3 years before I graduated with my CS degree. Nursing might be a more demanding job, but it has a much lower barrier to entry than CS, and thus it has a much larger supply (despite nursing orgs complaining about shortages), and a fairly fixed demand that's only increasing as the population ages.
What took you so long?
In countries with socialized care, there's one employer that dictates working conditions (the state). Over-licensing means it's a hassle to port a license to another jurisdiction (to be subject to a single employer again).
In America, same issues mostly except it's not the state that employs but an organization that's given a monopoly over a region thanks to certificates of need. [0]
Two things can be true.
Some people might be underpaid, and that would be a different angle.
As it is, in the Bay Area, a typical startup software engineer only earns 4-5x what a person that makes burgers at a fast food restaurant makes. (Typically they make $20+ per hour, so $40k+ per year). Despite years of education, monetary investment in education, constant re training, long hours, etc. It doesn’t seem an unreasonable multiple to me, just trying to get a sense of the situation.
Those arguing that we should make less than or around $100k, are we really producing no more value than 2 people making burgers, or one especially fast burger maker?
Also note that wait staff at good restaurants in SF can earn $80-100k.
Compared to what?
Directors of HR, product managers, lawyers, managers of all kinds, etc. all make similar money.
Software engineers are paid what they're paid because their work allows companies to scale their products to serve more users.
This "paid too much" is nonsense, we can barely (if at all) afford houses where near where we work.