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Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by sokoloff on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @05:56AM (#35165888)
Tech workers themselves. Hear me out for a minute. Tech workers have been partially insulated from the hard-nosed realities of “They pay me $5 because I make them $6 or $7.”

“They pay me because I know how computers work and computers make them $100K times N somehow, and someone else can make $500K per SWE, so that company established the SWE comp at $300K, but I don’t want to work at that company because they turned evil and have a hiring system that would take me unpaid time on my own to crack, so I’m willing to work at this other company I believe in more for only $150K, and since they make $100K times N from software, they’re willing hire N/2 of us and barely scrape by. Then, when my company profits take a hit from soaring input costs and we pull back on advertisements as a result and the $500K company sees a drop in as revenues and they cut back on their employees as a result, making that $300K reference now up for debate, and these other places pop up on the radar where people just as good as me are eager to work for half of what I cost, that possibility is appealing to businesses who are struggling with uncertain demand from their customers who are stretched from their own soaring life costs for energy, food, and housing. Hmm, maybe as a tech worker, I should try to understand whether this is another temporary tech recession and, if it is, how I should react to position myself and protect myself, my family, and my friends.”

This tech recession won’t last forever; we’re not going the way of ice harvesters or buggy whip makers, but I think we’re going to see a large scale re-alignment and even if tech salaries merely fall back to 2015 levels, it’s going to feel catastrophic to many.

2020 and 2021 were outlier years. Expect more non-outlier years than outlier years and expect a reversion back to needing to connect value to costs and if you don’t know how your company makes money by employing you, try to figure that out, try to increase it, and try to be sure that they know how they make money from you. We all do better when we create $X of value and take a high but fair fraction of that home for ourselves, leaving everyone in a nice, durably desirable trade of our skills for their needs.

Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by epicureanideal on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @07:46AM (#35166745)
> even if tech salaries merely fall back to 2015 levels

They're still at 2015 levels now, adjusted for inflation.

Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by javier2 on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @07:54AM (#35166845)
I dont disagree, and I am not part of the SV bubble. Most developers in my country can barely even dream of anything close to US compensation. But we didn't create this climate, VC money and decades of low rates must have played a huge part.
Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by hef19898 on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @08:07AM (#35166991)
Calling one of the most well-paid and priviledged group of employees im human history, developers, tech workers is an insult o every labor movement in human history. As soon as you have posh white collar office job, you stop being a worker.
Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by danjac on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @08:39AM (#35167363)
Do you own capital or work for it? If the latter, congrats, you're a worker.

And again, HN people living in their little US coastal bubble thinking that the rest of the tech world is as privileged as them. When I started I earned less than a factory worker in my town. Presumably because they wore blue overalls instead of a hoodie they were "real" workers and I wasn't...or does there have to be some level of salary where I can be declared "posh" and no longer a worker?

Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by javier2 on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @09:55AM (#35168381)
If your compensation is based on salary, you are a worker.
Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by wing-_-nuts on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @10:37AM (#35168935)
I'm pretty sure Marx would tell you that trying to divide rather than unify is the greatest insult to the labor movement
Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by hef19898 on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @10:41AM (#35169005)
I'd say Marx would also have his issues with the most priviledged "worker" class out right refusing to unionize and even decrying unions as bad for everyone.
Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by cholantesh on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:28PM (#35188022)
Sure, Marx and Engels both talk about their frustration with class treason, but they were also aware of the pervasive false consciousness in the working class.
Re:Was there a tech-hiring bubble? Indeed.com job postings d... by avgDev on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @04:14PM (#35174115)
LMAO!

As long as you do WORK to earn money, you are a worker.

Once you are earning from investments and not doing a thing, YOU ARE NO LONGER a worker.

You seem really out of touch with reality.