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Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by hzay on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @12:49PM (#35154431)
It makes sense if you think of this as pruning dead weight while also getting in fresh inflow of talented people (some of whom will inevitably not work out later).
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by snozolli on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:33PM (#35156340)
Why is management hiring people who turn out to be "dead weight"? Particularly with the ludicrous interview cycle employed by big tech companies these days?

It's a failure of management to hire correctly and/or manage and develop people. Management is broken and incompetent and relentlessly scapegoats those below them.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by skeeter2020 on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @04:06PM (#35157602)
Hiring is really hard. I try to be very selective, use work-like assessments and wait until it's painful to add headcount, but I also need to go fast enough to keep devs interested and not waste their time, and interviews at best are only a very rough proxy-indicator of what the future looks like. Firing is even harder.
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by cpitman on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @04:07PM (#35157615)
If you have a method for hiring exactly the right people, that those people will put up with (ie a process that filters out "dead weight" but does not filter out high performers), then that is a startup right there. But overall, no one has magical hiring process that doesn't involve finding out actual performance after they start.
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by narwally on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @04:28PM (#35157961)
Yep, google published a bunch of research about their hiring processes and it basically said "we've tried everything and nothing works... anybody else have any ideas?"
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by midoridensha on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @09:09PM (#35162284)
Yet they continue their leetcode interview process...
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by snozolli on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @11:05PM (#35163256)
If you have a method for hiring exactly the right people, that those people will put up with

Yeah, hire and then show actual managerial skill. If you still can't get the performance you need, then fire them. Tech hiring culture has become completely bananas and it wastes insane amounts of resources.

Tech management in the US 1) can't hire competently, 2) can't lead, 3) can't develop those under them and 4) can't man up and fire the employees they mistakenly hired and failed to lead.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by smachiz on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:59PM (#35172235)
That's not just tech. It's everywhere.

It's _really_ hard to hire good people consistently.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by coredog64 on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @11:55PM (#35163648)
Griggs vs Duke Power might like a word.
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by brewdad on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @04:08PM (#35157632)
Plenty of terrible employees interview well. Many potentially great employees don't interview well.
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by hd95489 on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @05:36PM (#35159164)
Terrible employees have lots of practice
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by snozolli on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @11:03PM (#35163239)
So fire them. It's bizarre that companies appear to think that you should do cargo cult interviewing, sometimes multiple rounds with months of waiting around, then hire people, fail to lead or develop them, then just dump them en masse.

Hire them and if you can't get the performance you need, then you due them. Alternatively, hire them as contract-to-hire if your head of HR has conditioned you to be terrified of doing what you're allowed to do in the US.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by kamaal on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @12:23AM (#35163844)
>>Why is management hiring people who turn out to be "dead weight"?

People are rarely ever dead weight. Products and services most certainly are. Products/Projects etc fail for a variety of reasons, and it can often be hard to anticipate if they will. When you are building them you need the top people to build it for you. If the product fails, you now have people you have to pay for running the product that doesn't earn you money. Now you make a loss.

While you did hire the top people, the product failed and now you don't need them. Keeping them around costs lots of money and, their work, even if high quality hasn't given much profits.

It is then you have to let go people.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by snozolli on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @12:26AM (#35163871)
If the product fails, you now have people you have to pay for product that doesn't earn you money. Now you make a loss.

Sounds like capitalism to me. Better get to work developing new projects and products to stem that loss.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by kamaal on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:35AM (#35164318)
>>Better get to work developing new projects and products to stem that loss.

Yes.

The road to progress in any system involves being known as someone who initiates new order of things. And always remember this. Its the new projects, and initiatives that get most of the resources because people want to see them win.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by hzay on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @03:23AM (#35164989)
Hiring is not a perfectly solved problem, so you should cut whoever you're accusing some slack. Also, making the relationship work is a two-way responsibility, not just that of the management.
Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by ferrumfist on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @04:12PM (#35157696)
> pruning dead weight

That wasn't my experience with the current layoffs at big tech. There was no effort to find positions for the engineers who performed well in the previous year(s). They just cut some orgs by the hundreds (I was in a call with 350+ other devs, many of whom are far smarter and more experienced devs than myself).

They just started cutting "weight" at some point, the "dead" adjective was dropped during the previous rounds of layoffs.

Re:Meta to Layoff 10k Employees by fidgewidge on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @06:39PM (#35160139)
Smart + experienced != productive and valuable. It's possible to be good at your job and also dead weight. Motivation matters.