Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by ralph84 on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:16PM
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Why hedge when we privatize the profits and socialize the losses? SVB execs sold tens of $millions in stock before the failure. Are the execs going to be forced to return the compensation they received for showing higher profits by not hedging?
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Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by fnordpiglet on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:33PM
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Yes. It’s called clawback provisions. They were summarily fired and their compensation was clawed back.
And how are the losses being socialized? The assets of the bank are collateralizing the lines of credit they’re getting to stay solvent. It won’t cost anyone a thin penny, other than bank management and shareholders.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by nerdponx on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:25PM
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I imagine taxpayers did pay at least something in the form of treasury and fed employees working over the weekend and getting paid overtime. Or is that not how it works?
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by ip26 on Monday March 13, 2023 @06:14PM
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Are police wages “socializing the cost of crime”? I consider enforcement necessary overhead.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by nerdponx on Monday March 13, 2023 @06:37PM
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Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by tripletao on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:44PM
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The FDIC is guaranteeing all SVB deposits, including deposits above $250k. Any deficit will be paid from the FDIC's insurance fund, which if necessary will be topped up by a special assessment on all participating banks. So the losses (if any) won't be socialized over taxpayers, but they will be socialized over some combination of bank owners and customers.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/mone...
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by dragonwriter on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:50PM
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> So the losses (if any) won’t be socialized over taxpayers,
I mean, a “special assessment” is just a different word for a one-time tax, and it being directly on all banks and indirectly on everyone who banks, or does business with entities who bank, makes distinguishing the payers of this tax and “taxpayers” ludicrous hair-splitting.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by ralph84 on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:09PM
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Exactly, the banks that practiced sound risk management get to subsidize the banks that didn’t. Textbook moral hazard.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by ralph84 on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:15PM
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Do you have a link that supports your assertion that all of the proceeds from stock sales by SVB execs while they were mismanaging risk in 2022-23 are being clawed back?
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by MrMan on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @07:21AM
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it will directly cost all of us, except those who have no bank account. its unsustainable and wrong.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by psychlops on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:23PM
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Don't forget they also paid bonuses the morning they failed.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by fnordpiglet on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:40PM
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This is the time of the year when banks pay bonuses for the prior years work. My understanding is it was scheduled annually at the same time and happened to occur the day they went insolvent. Frankly I’m down with Nancy in client confirm generation getting her bonus. The senior managers all got fired and their comp clawed back, so seems legit.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by psychlops on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:54PM
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I've no problems with Nancy, she's pretty cool. Firing isn't really enough, loss of license and industry bans should be on the table as well as criminal investigations for fraud and negligence of custodial funds.
Re:SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial ...
by jgon on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:04PM
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You seem pretty emphatic that senior managers have had their compensation clawed back but have posted absolutely zero proof that this is the case. Care to show any reason we should believe you?