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Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by btown on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:32PM (#35125062)
Arguably this is already true of text. We have already entered the age where it is impossible to determine with certainty whether a blog article was written by a human, and so every text data set that includes 2023 internet data will include ChatGPT outputs as ground truth.

Future historians will likely place a great deal of emphasis on 2019 being the year in which we reached a forever-maximum of non-pandemic-tinged provably-human-created data. It's no reason to panic, and the mixed data sets will absolutely be representative of humanity's accomplishments as a whole... but there will be notable differences.

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:14PM (#35125629)
> We have already entered the age where it is impossible to determine with certainty whether a blog article was written by a human, and so every text data set that includes 2023 internet data will include ChatGPT outputs as ground truth.

Is that any worse than unreliable humans? Whether they're intentionally lying or just mistaken, internet posts should always be taken with a grain of salt, for decades now.

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by bee_rider on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:28PM (#35125801)
I think they mean ground truth in terms of what human created content looks like, not ground truth in terms of what is actually going on in the world, which of course we don’t collect completely accurately.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by kukx on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:37PM (#35127263)
I wonder what will be the first year when most of the meaningful comments on hacker news will be AI generated.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by bee_rider on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:24PM (#35130070)
I dunno, seems hard to say. Upvote systems favor funny quips and matching the popular sentiment so I guess we won’t get a good measurement of meaningfulness.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by dmonitor on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:25PM (#35125762)
The unreliability of humans is still valuable data because it shows what humans were thinking at the time.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:29PM (#35125829)
I guess, but that's a really noisy signal once you account for deliberately misleading posts.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by JohnFen on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:42PM (#35140411)
Even deliberately misleading posts give you insight into what people are thinking at the time, though.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by qikInNdOutReply on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:27AM (#35132711)
For historians its a catastrophe. After 2023, the good old roman source poison assumation is back in full effect. He who is in power can actually rewrite history. Assume everyone uses written documentation just to proof loyalty to the current computational power holder.

Truth will become something similar to the roman emperors history, a million comments, blog articles condemning past rulers and CEOs as wrong all along, while praising the current instance, with similar spam in the forgotten archives.

A species ruled by madmen, one worser then the other. Praise be on the Bezos, who undid the mad world that reigned before.

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by JohnFen on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:24AM (#35136975)
> Is that any worse than unreliable humans?

Yes, I think so. Maybe not (but maybe) in terms of factual information, but in terms of opinion, analysis, arts, etc. You know, human things. The value of those things is, in my opinion, tightly couples with them being produced by humans.

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by flangola7 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:20PM (#35125686)
I fear the social effects. The days of making long distance friends or relationships over the internet are over. Anonymous communities that don't implement strong KYC are over.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by greedylizard on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:23PM (#35125738)
What is KYC?
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by epgui on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:37PM (#35125940)
Know Your Customer
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by b800h on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:50AM (#35133402)
It may be a great thing. We have in-person events vs. completely fabricated online wonderland. It might - I hope - mean that people flock back to IRL activities.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by flangola7 on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:05AM (#35134001)
Which isn't great for those of us with very little ability to attend activities outside of the home.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by JohnFen on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:28AM (#35137047)
OTOH, I have several very deep, meaningful and valuable friendships, spanning decades, with people I've never been physically near. Losing the ability to develop those sorts of relationships is a very real loss.

And I have never stopped seeing my IRL friends in person. Those, I almost never talk with electronically.

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by Ma8ee on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:26PM (#35125776)
It's not that hard to filter content by source. Reputable news sources and authors will not publish AI-generated content (without grave risks to their reputation). And most of the abundant background noise have never provided much value before either.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by krater23 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:03PM (#35126260)
> Reputable news sources and authors will not publish AI-generated content...

This news sources are not just one blob or a black box. It's different people that are working for money. And we know reputable sources that have published fictionary stories as real over years(see Spiegel in Germany). Now it's really easy to unnotable use AI, so where is the reason why this will not happen?

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by kragen on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:27PM (#35128826)
cnet published a bunch of unlabeled ai-generated articles for months https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/20/23564311/cnet-pausing-ai-...

the nyt just published a long interview with sydney in which she attempted to convince the author his wife didn't love him, which is ai-generated content; while that was clearly labeled, it will still appear in text data sets as ground truth

abundant background noise provides a lot of value for text data sets because it tells you how people talk

Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by JohnFen on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:26AM (#35137002)
In all fairness, cnet hasn't been a reputable news source for a very long time.
Re:Update to the “Samsung space zoom moon shots are fake” by hovden on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:13AM (#35134071)
I’ve yet to have ChatGPT produce useable content for my technical writing, or even lighter portions of proposal writing, rec letters, emails etc. I found it has done well at cleaning up text, fun language games, and quickly sourcing readily available information. I don’t think 2023 is the year books are replaced (maybe low novelty blogs). I feel a disconnect with how GPT is being exalted, and my underwhelming experience for useable content.