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Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by highwaylights on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:50PM (#35100820)
Nah, the bank is responsible for their decisions.

They bought $80b of fixed-rate bonds at historically and artificially low interest rates in a time of massive QE. Even based on the information available at the time, this is not a surprising outcome at all.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:55PM (#35100882)
And the $80 bill was about 40% of their assets. And their depositors are all businesses who will move the money out fast because it's not insured over 250k.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by disgruntledphd2 on Friday March 10, 2023 @05:02PM (#35101805)
Yeah, this is all very odd. What the hell happened there?

In retrospect, the Chief Risk Officer leaving and not being replaced immediately was a bad sign: https://fortune.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-chief-ris...

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @06:06PM (#35102545)
That's a good find...

100% speculation: the CRO told them loading up on long term bonds was crazy, and that they'd just have to eat lower earnings. The CEO/CFO disagreed, and the CRO didn't want to have any part of it. Hindsight is 20/20, but... this really was a disaster waiting to happen.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by james_barton on Saturday March 11, 2023 @06:42AM (#35107456)
Not completely sure about that:

"A risk officer typically anticipates and manages regulatory, operational, competitive or other risks faced by a firm."

That looks like _non-financial_ risks. If that was the role of the CRO at SVB, the risk for this event probably should have been with the CFO?

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by kortilla on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:57PM (#35110793)
“Operational” at a bank includes financial risks.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by james_barton on Saturday March 11, 2023 @05:10PM (#35113308)
I know of at least one large European bank where it explicitly doesn't.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by abfan1127 on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:53PM (#35100855)
that doesn't excuse the Fed's behaviors.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:09PM (#35101112)
It's easy to criticize the fed, but they did a pretty good job during COVID and they did a pretty good job during 2008.

The charge of "manipulating bond markets" is pretty absurd - their mandate is to influence inflation and employment via interest rates. Of course it has an impact on bond markets.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by yterdy on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:21PM (#35101253)
Not to let the banks off the hook, but

>They did a pretty good job during COVID

One word: "transitory".

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:31PM (#35101381)
It was surprisingly accurate.... mom inflation has been reasonable for several months now
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by nervlord on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:57PM (#35101724)
That's.. Delusional. It's barely budged.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @05:15PM (#35101955)
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf

Note all the months since July 2022. It's good to read the source material rather than hyperventilating news articles.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by anon20230311 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:37AM (#35109908)
I was skeptical that month-over-month CPI had come down to reasonable levels, but it indeed seems meaningfully lower and close to recent historical averages.

Mean MoM % change in CPI-U from January to preceding July, 2016-2023:

* 2016: 0.01

* 2017: 0.27

* 2018: 0.27

* 2019: 0.10

* 2020: 0.21

* 2021: 0.30

* 2022: 0.61

* 2023: 0.27

Raw monthly data: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0&output_view=pct_...

I am eager to see Tuesday's numbers for February inflation.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by yterdy on Friday March 10, 2023 @05:12PM (#35101925)
By that metric, and it took quite a bit longer to get there than ideal. It's also still elevated historically and compared to FFR, all of which is a roundabout way of saying that inflation has and continues to destabilize the outlook. Stability historically comes after an n-month lag of the FFR and core inflation meeting, right? Well, banks are failing now, and 4Q24 is a ways off.

I just don't know if I'd call it a "pretty good job," is all. They were caught-off guard and didn't move quickly enough.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @05:17PM (#35101978)
They are always caught off guard. Try predicting anything macro and see how well it goes to plan. Then try not moving too fast or too slow.

The idea that they aren't doing a good job because they aren't perfectly precise with their timing is silly.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by yterdy on Friday March 10, 2023 @06:42PM (#35102947)
The difficulty is somewhat artificial. Their statements give away the game, namely their obsession with a "soft landing." Translation: an undue focus on securities markets and saving entities who'd made bad investments, i.e., picking winners. They were late because they were trying to balance a factor that isn't part of their quasi-mandate (but that is important to politicians, and to the institutions that Fed officers revolving doored from). Without that factor, you see radical hikes in 2021 and QT not being undermined by waves hands vaguely. It hurts, but less than what's coming now.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by danielmarkbruce on Friday March 10, 2023 @06:57PM (#35103106)
The only entities they seem to worry about is banks. And banks going under is bad news for everyone, always has been. Being a lender of last resort to banks is explicitly part of their mandate.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by pishpash on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:36PM (#35104543)
They worry about banks because they are a bank. If it weren't for government oversight they'd be a private bank.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by yterdy on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:20PM (#35125685)
>The only entities they seem to worry about is banks.

You'll have to support thay with something. Again, the language of their correspondence over the past few years says otherwise.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by chii on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:23PM (#35104013)
And it was. The prediction was that covid supply/demand constraints would resolve when covid problems clear themselves.

Unless, of course, you are expecting the Fed to predict the war in ukraine, the energy crisis, etc.

And in any case, people who take the Fed's predictions at face value, and base their financial positions on it, can only blame themselves when the Feds do something contrary (as they are always entitled to). These predictions aren't promises.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by throw0101c on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:02PM (#35104739)
> One word: "transitory".

It has been. We're barely at 1.5-2 years in length and it looks to be either stabilized and perhaps dropping.

A number of folks estimated that the COVID recovery stimulus would take about this long to work its way through the system, using Korean War spending as an analogue:

* https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/in...

The fact that energy and food prices spiked due to geopolitical events threw a monkey wrench in the works temporarily, but now that those have stabilized, so has inflation.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by yterdy on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:27PM (#35125785)
The magnitude matters, too. Stimulus did not constitute an annualized increase in average consumer purchasing power equivalent to the inflation we've seen. I imagine that wage inflation fills the difference, but of course, the stimulus is over and wage growth is not enough. So "transitory" is not an accurate characterization for most people looking at their finances; it has come to eat their purchasing ability, and stayed.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by pishpash on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:32PM (#35104510)
They did a terrible job after the Euro sovereign debt crisis passed, so let's say after 2014, and they did a terrible job starting mid-2021, after vaccines and opening up. Always too slow to raise rates and stop financial froth that was obvious to everyone.

The first half of stopping a panic is always easy if you're the Fed with the exorbitant privilege to print money with virtually no immediate ill effects. The second half is the hard part and they've failed 11 times out of 10.

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by adam_arthur on Saturday March 11, 2023 @11:19AM (#35109645)
To say they did a good job during covid can only be determined through history… many would disagree.

They acted as aggressively as possible to remedy a short term problem, which just created longer term problems. Its easy to throw money at a problem and worry about the consequences later.

SVB wouldn’t have failed if the Fed hadn’t artificially suppressed rates to the extent they did, for example. And Id venture there’s a lot more to come on the economic front. Many assets became extremely overvalued which makes the larger downside on price more disruptive. Commercial real estate is a big one to watch in the coming years

If inflation remains entrenched we may require a GFC style hard landing to quench it.

The fed did head off an immediate disaster through suppressing the rapidly widened credit spreads, but everything after that will likely be remembered as a failure

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by reso on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:29PM (#35101352)
The fed wasn't buying bonds for lulz, they were doing it to carry out their primary function.
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by freejazz on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:28PM (#35101331)
What's the fed's obligation to that bank that you are making this point?
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by eschaton on Saturday March 11, 2023 @12:36AM (#35105762)
Dollars to donuts they’re a “sound money” kook who wants the Federal Reserve not to be able to manipulate the money supply to achieve societal objectives like “low unemployment” and “inflation that closely tracks growth in economic activity and population” and “preventing a deflationary spiral because economic activity shut down due to a global pandemic” because all of that is interference with the Holy Free Market.

Because after all the purpose of society is to serve the market, not the other way around, right?

Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by nerdponx on Friday March 10, 2023 @03:56PM (#35100902)
Two wrongs don't make a right!
Re:FDIC Takes over Silicon Valley Bank by SantalBlush on Friday March 10, 2023 @04:43PM (#35101524)
Whether or not the Fed's behaviors are excused is not the topic of conversation.