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Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by mrweasel on Friday March 10, 2023 @06:55AM (#35093279)
This may just be me being cynical, but any attempt to convert any significant about of Bitcoins to anything real will collapse the price further.
Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by FollowingTheDao on Friday March 10, 2023 @07:05AM (#35093351)
No, you are not cynical, you are spot on. Crypto gains are worth nothing until you change it into currency. The same is true for stock gains.

Crypto gains only were people imagining money into existence. This is the problem of going off the gold standard.

Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by senttoschool on Friday March 10, 2023 @07:27AM (#35093530)
>No, you are not cynical, you are spot on. Crypto gains are worth nothing until you change it into currency. The same is true for stock gains.

Actually, stocks are slightly different. Because stocks are based on an underlying real company producing real services and goods, it's worth something even if you don't sell it. This is because stocks can pay dividends or do buy backs.

Crypto does not pay dividends or do buy backs. If they do, they should be classified as a security.

Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by FollowingTheDao on Friday March 10, 2023 @07:49AM (#35093710)
> Because stocks are based on an underlying real company producing real services and goods

No, they are not. Stocks prices are solely based on their supply and demand in the market. Products and services may play a role in the demand fro the stock, but they are not the sole determinate of price. Take AMC for example...

Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by wyatt_dolores on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:46AM (#35094246)
Stocks do have a natural lower bound which is the actual value of the company.
Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by FollowingTheDao on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:35AM (#35095680)
Are you saying Bitcoin can go negative?
Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by chollida1 on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:55AM (#35095983)
it's possible if the carrying cost of BTC is positive.
Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by medvezhenok on Friday March 10, 2023 @12:09PM (#35097362)
The total stock of a company, yes. Your particular share - not necessarily. You could get diluted to pretty much nothing if the company chooses to issue more shares.

Shareholders can usually push back via voting, but depending on the way the company is setup they could still successfully dilute smaller shareholders.

Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by senttoschool on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:50AM (#35094280)
Stock prices are based on supply and demand.

But a stock is the ownership of a company, which produces goods and services.

Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by HPsquared on Friday March 10, 2023 @07:12AM (#35093412)
The same is true for any asset, including gold or real estate.
Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by mrweasel on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:59AM (#35094347)
Gold does have real world applications, you can build stuff with it, but yes, if only using in electronics the price would crash. Real estate, depending one the type can generate money by being utilized, it doesn't need to be traded as such.
Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by ashwagary on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:09AM (#35094452)
>but yes, if only using in electronics

>it doesn't need to be traded as such.

Only a small percentage of sellers can convert an asset into the current dollar price in any market, regardless of where the underlying is used.

This is true for every asset. Once supply outpaces demand, price moves down.

Re:More than $70B wiped off crypto market in 24 hours as BTC... by tomputer on Friday March 10, 2023 @12:16PM (#35097523)
This is exactly what makes Bitcoin a fantastic store of value. Bitcoin supersedes gold because compared to gold, it has no other use.

If Bitcoin would be used as a store of value instead of gold, gold can be used for other material purposes for a lower price. The same goes for real estate. A house does not have to be an investment asset or store of value. If (institutional) investors would use Bitcoin instead of housing, it could make housing affordable again. Or at least result in more fair/realistic housing market instead of the propped up market from the last few years.

Compared to gold and real estate, Bitcoin is a scarce asset that can easily be divided into small pieces. It has a liquid market and can be exchanged 24/7 anywhere in the world.