Uh what is this elephant you are referring to?

Even more surprising people are so confused about what this elephant is.

Surely the experimental genetic therapy she took has nothing to do with this.

Surely it is entirely not worth considering that an auto-immune condition triggered by the experimental immunization methods and her immune response to the agent that this method was supposed to train her immune system had nothing to do with it.

It is just long COVID. Good thing she took the vaccine. We are 100% sure that she is better because of the vaccine and would have had the same problems if not worse had she not taken it.

If the paragraph above resonates with you, there is no hope to reason with you.

Downvote the guy that says after this commit we have been getting elevated crashes on customer systems because it worked on your machine and you trust the guy that wrote it... way to go.

Do you know if she got sick after taking the vaccines or after she got C19?

It is after both in this case but also irrelevant. For some, the issue is the response to the initial agent, and for some it is about how it alters the response of your body to the infection, and not for the better.

Anyone pretends to know she is better off for having taken the vaccine and not worse off exactly because she took the vaccine is pretending.

Wasn't CFS a widely reported outcome before vaccines were available?

It would be great if you told us what the elephant is

I give, what is the elephant?

Either "the vaccine caused this" or "Long COVID isn't real". Probably the former (or both?) considering the replies made by the commenter.

Sorry, what is this elephant that you speak of? There are many theories about pretty much all COVID related things. You can ascribe significance to any of them without taking ownership if you are worried about being associated with something.

For anyone curious I'm pretty sure he means the vaccine and side effects

I think it's more likely that they are questioning if long covid actually exists/isn't psychosomatic, given the context of the conversation

Nope, vaccine induced autoimmune conditions.

Then that doesn't really make sense, even less than usual but alright.

seems a strange kind of vaccine side effect that only occurs directly after you contract the actual disease

Does it? For a gene therapy that's designed to alter your immune response. Really?

Well it's not a gene therapy, so...

It's a real possibility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement but it's one of the things that are checked in vaccine candidates before they are authorized for the general public. Quoting Wikipedia:

> Prior to the pandemic, ADE was observed in animal studies of laboratory rodents with vaccines for SARS-CoV, the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). However, as of 27 January 2022 there have been no observed incidents with vaccines for COVID-19 in trials with nonhuman primates, in clinical trials with humans, or following the widespread use of approved vaccines.

fascinating. that links to a whole page of covid vaccine misinformation. ADE has at least some plausibility for vaccines in general even though it has not been observed with covid 19 vaccines + humans. Poster here used the phrase "gene therapy" though which points it right into "altering human DNA": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine_misinformatio...

I almost cried when I saw that video.

The same way I watched science programs as a kid, then, as an adult, I'd say that I watched science videos with her, alongside other YT channels.

Becoming a Patreon is the least I can do as someone on the other side of the world. I hope she can overcome long Covid and start her recovery soon.

I had a good friend go through the same complications (they're back to ~80% at this point, six months later). Watching that video was an eerily familiar experience...

Terrifying disease.

Long covid researchers-- is the current body of research converging on any cause(s) for the myriad long covid symptoms? Endothelial damage?

Has there been any good evidence that this isn’t a mere psychosomatic problem? Could you share that evidence, if it exists?

Your comment really rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it's the use of "mere"? It really discounts the amount of suffering ME/CFS causes people.