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Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by imhoguy on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:58PM (#35063219)
The biggest drawback of LLM is that it never answers with "I don't know" (unless it is some quote) and it just brings bullshit hallucinations which human has to reject as wrong. Thus it is mostly useless for anything serious. Personally I use it to beautify some text, but still have to do a bit of correction to fix b/s or missed context.
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by adamddev1 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:35PM (#35063576)
Yes, I see a lot of people talking about how it revolutionizes learning, but it only provides decent answers for extremely well-known and popular topics on the internet. Ask it a question about a less-documented human language for instance and it will mislead you with the most hilariously wrong and confidently made-up garbage answers.

This could end up being another example of knowledge quality going down as people keep going for the easiest was to get answers, like searching for info on topics on Instagram and TikTok.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by Nevermark on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:13PM (#35063375)
This seems like a great opportunity for some good old fashioned adversarial training.

Post train one LLM to please another LLM, that rates the quality of the first model's responses and calls it on any bullshit! (And vice versa.)

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by not2b on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:25PM (#35063476)
I expect that this will be tried, and I worry about some negative consequences if it works well. It could be a way of generating very effective propaganda, that defeats the efforts of the opposing LLM to call bullshit.

On the other hand, diffusion models seem to have replaced GANs for image synthesis, so perhaps there's something I'm missing, or perhaps there's a way to combine both techniques.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by Nevermark on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:13AM (#35066526)
I am not sure calling bullshit on images works the same way, given we generally want to invite creativity to image generation.

Although an adversarial extra-finger detector seems in order! Extra fingers are not creativity. They are taboo!!

But for text, there is a lot of structure around bullshitting, and fortunately, the internet is full of examples of people calling bullshit. As long as the bullshit adversary has to give a strong critique to back up any bullshit call, it should work.

And bullshit judgments can be de-bullshitted too.

This would be the same as what our social circles, work colleagues, families, etc. do for us, so a circular firing squad of bullshit judges, who also give gold stars for quality responses, seems like a natural solution for models too.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by not2b on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:33AM (#35071103)
The first really good image generators for faces (see for example https://this-person-does-not-exist.com ) used GANs, which were trained by having one model generate faces and another model saying bullshit, that isn't a face.

I'm not worried about using approaches like this to converge on truth (model A generates an answer to a question, model B attempts to refute model A). Perhaps we could train model A to generate lies that model B can't detect.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by IIAOPSW on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:16PM (#35063403)
Stable diffusion (of bullshit).
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by icelancer on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:27PM (#35063498)
> The biggest drawback of LLM is that it never answers with "I don't know"

I see this a lot on social media, but it simply isn't true in my experience as someone who uses multiple APIs from OpenAI.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by pfortuny on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:50AM (#35066380)
Ask it to “prove how a martingale converges to the zariski measure on a commutative scheme.”

Totally absurd question, totally absurd answer.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by icelancer on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:59AM (#35066453)
I asked ChatGPT Legacy:

"Hello! Can you prove how a martingale converges to the zariski measure on a commutative scheme?"

It replied:

"Hello! The notion of a martingale converging to the Zariski measure on a commutative scheme is a highly advanced and abstract mathematical concept. It is not possible to provide a simple proof for this statement, as it requires a deep understanding of several advanced mathematical concepts such as probability theory, algebraic geometry, and commutative algebra."

It then listed definitions for martingale, Zariski measure, and a commutative scheme, and then concluded with:

"However, to fully understand this concept, you would need to study advanced mathematical topics such as algebraic geometry, commutative algebra, and probability theory."

That seems like a useful enough answer with definitions that effectively converges to "I don't know."

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by pfortuny on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:42AM (#35071226)
Notice that martingales do not converge AND the zariski measure is not a thing at all.

Sorry saw your reply too late.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by jug on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:26PM (#35063480)
Bing AI often tells me that something is not known and when it hasn’t found any sources to confirm something. I think ChatGPT is worse off though.
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by taneq on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:02PM (#35063790)
I’m not an expert, but I’ve always felt the use of softmax everywhere is a contributing factor. It’s basically saying “you HAVE to pick one” rather than “which one would you pick?”
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by jll29 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:50PM (#35064139)
There is the notion of the _rejection class_, which addresses the problem of 'You have to pick one' - it is the class you select when you mean to say 'none of the above'.
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by photochemsyn on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:39PM (#35064506)
It seems to respond better if you include a 'in the context of <subject matter>' at the end of the prompt. Then keep refining context over a series of questions.
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by dymax78 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:43PM (#35064536)
I haven't experienced chatgpt explicitly tell me "I don't know", but it has provided me with factually incorrect answers pertaining to the functionality of an appliance and associated software. Further probing and I was advised to contact IBM support.... lol.

My usage has been confined to specific technical inquiries and chatgpts benefit has been colossal in saving me the time of sifting through decade(s) of documentation, forum posts, bug reports, kb articles, etc.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by andrepd on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:14AM (#35068582)
Honestly, how can that be? If it's bullshitting me half of the time... If it's something I already know I can see it's bullshitting, if it's something I don't know (i.e. I'm using it for a practical purpose) then how can I tell!
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by ryloric on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:55PM (#35065028)
It has no way of judging the quality of it's own answer, I see this trait as it's biggest hurdle to most practical uses.
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by bob1029 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:57PM (#35065044)
Can't you address this with adversarial training items that build upon each other?

I will be doing some testing of this against the base davinci model over the next few weeks.

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by dclowd9901 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:16AM (#35065535)
Yeah I don’t understand why “I don’t know, but…” or “I’m not too sure, but…” isn’t part of the generative text. Does everyone on the web talk like they have the answers to everything? I’m genuinely asking.
Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by Bost on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:05AM (#35068502)
Sorry but that's not true. I play with ChatGPT only for about a week or two and I have seen such a response a couple of times. However it's not easy to get such an answer. I'm not denying that.

(Unfortunately I can't provide you an example. The ChatGPT history is not available right now. Wed Mar 8 02:02:14 PM CET 2023)

Re:ChatGPT Explained: A Normie's Guide to How It Works by namrog84 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:18PM (#35074858)
I just saw some post 9n the subteddit talking about methods to get it to provide exactly that about hallucination and confidence. With various techniques.

I think in the future it'll become less problematic or more transparent about hallucinations