Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by noughtme on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:20AM
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Did you not notice the explosion in bootcamps and online programs? Not to mention the huge expansion of existing CS programs. Tens of thousands joined the industry.
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Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by twelve40 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:24AM
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I admit I don't know the industry-wide data for that. I have not encountered a bootcamp person in a professional setting in over 5 years, but maybe im not a part of most companies.
Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by rpmisms on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:56AM
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Agencies are completely full of them.
Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by sillybov3456 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:31AM
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How would you know they are a bootcamp person? Technically I'm a "bootcamp person" since I went to school for EE and not CS (so I'm mostly self taught when it comes to programming anything that isn't C), but that isn't something you would ever know about me without asking. I would imagine there are a ton of people in the industry with similar stories.
Bootcamp people being easily noticeable would seem to require them to be noticeably terrible in some way. I'm not sure you break into tech that way. My projects and technical interview skills were way ahead of the average CS graduate at the time precisely because I was a "bootcamp person" and couldn't rely on the degree.
Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by martin_a on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:15AM
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Next week I've got a call with an applicant to an open position in our company. He did one of those bootcamps, too, that's all he got as experience. I'm really curious how that will turn out...
Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by robin_reala on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:39AM
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Depends on the boot camp, but in my experience the juniors that come out of them have been considerably better than other applicants when it comes to things like TDD and security. That’s been drilled into them.
Where they typically fall down compared to juniors with CS degrees is a couple of years later, when the practice doesn’t make up for less fundamental knowledge. But that can be easily overcome with good management.
Re:Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
by thr717272 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:58AM
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Have recently worked with a bootcamped guy (although I should admit he had an engineer degree first) but my impression of that boot camp program at least is very good:
They had worked on some serious case studies with real version control, real databases, real bugs and he basically came ready to solve real life problems.