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Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by MadSudaca on Monday March 06, 2023 @07:02AM (#35040005)
I disagree. There’s no casual pathway between Astrology and who you are. With MBTI you respond to a questionnaire, so there is some connection to you. How accurate this is, well that’s a topic for debate. However, the most accurate personality models are also based on questionnaires of this sort.

Some time ago I also thought MBTI was bullshit, now I think it’s quite useful. And at least for me, anecdotally, has predictive power.

Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by sneak on Monday March 06, 2023 @07:24AM (#35040186)
> How accurate this is, well that’s a topic for debate.

Not really; we know for a fact it is not accurate (and thus irrelevant). You can debate it if you wish but the facts of the matter have been long settled.

Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by MadSudaca on Monday March 06, 2023 @07:32AM (#35040230)
Depends on how you define accuracy.
Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by jiggunjer on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:27AM (#35040671)
Accuracy isn't binary. Not being perfect doesn't mean it is irrelevant. My map of the city could be more accurate but it still gets me where I need to go.
Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by DarkNova6 on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:31AM (#35040721)
That’s only in regards to the questionnaire, not the underlying system.

If you understand the cognitive function, your prediction is a magnitude more accurate than any test.

Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by bovermyer on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:28AM (#35041381)
OK, I'll bite. Not so much because I'm a defender of Myers-Briggs, but because there are significant problems with your two sentences here.

> we know

Who knows? Who is "we?"

> it is not accurate

Accuracy is not either "PERFECTLY TRUE" or "PERFECTLY FALSE." It is a range.

> (and thus irrelevant)

Even false statements or frameworks can provide interesting insights into how we think about a domain.

> the facts of the matter

Which facts would that be?

> have been long settled

By whom? In what study or paper? Were they properly tested?

Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by yamazakiwi on Monday March 06, 2023 @04:26PM (#35047854)
It doesn't matter how we define accuracy, I argue relevancy comes into play moreso when they stated this model is useful, making accuracy a non-issue, even if that's not what their exact words.
Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by paulcole on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:01AM (#35040458)
> Some time ago I also thought MBTI was bullshit, now I think it’s quite useful. And at least for me, anecdotally, has predictive power.

Replace MBTI w/ astrology in this sentence.

And just like astrology, you want MBTI to be true so it influences your answers on the questionnaire. Kinda like a Ouija board.

Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by pegasus on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:35AM (#35040764)
The opposite effect (generated by one wanting astrology to be false - and there are plenty of reasons for that inclination also) might also be afoot.
Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by MadSudaca on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:19AM (#35040598)
The desire for your beliefs to be true also affects scientists and biases the scientific enterprise. That doesn’t mean science is not reliable. Same applies here. The bias exists, it doesn’t mean that the results are useless.
Re:I'm a Very Slow Thinker by paulcole on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:24AM (#35040643)
> The bias exists, it doesn’t mean that the results are useless.

The same can be said of astrology even though it’s not science.